Christian churches say the same thing about their church being the one true church. But yes, the splinter groups are small. Lots of individual ex-Baha'i though.
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Christian churches say the same thing about their church being the one true church. But yes, the splinter groups are small. Lots of individual ex-Baha'i though.
Our Beliefs – The Free Baha’i Faith
Bottom line this is second hand foolishness antagonistic bias, and does not reflect the actual references in the Baha'i writings concerning the view of science and evolution.
If you like, I will find that very long, weeks long conversation going back and forth with the member of RF who is a Baha'i, who said exactly the things I cited. Will you believe me if you see the quotes, or will you deflect some more?
Alright, fine. You made me do the research to prove this to you, which you think I'm making up. There are many posts in the thread with Loverofhumanity I had concerning this, and my knowledge of what the Baha'i teach came directly from him. Here's a quote from the Bahai'i he shared.
“from the beginning of man’s existence on this planet until he assumed his present shape, form, and condition, a long time must have elapsed, and he must have traversed many stages before reaching his present condition. But from the beginning of his existence man has been a distinct species”
“Now, were one to establish the existence of vestigial organs, this would not disprove the independence and originality of the species. At most it would prove that the form, appearance, and organs of man have evolved over time. But man has always been a distinct species; he has been man, not an animal”
“Consider: If the embryo of man in the womb of the mother passes from one form to another which in no way resembles the former, is this a proof that the essence of the species has undergone transformation? That it was at first an animal and that its organs developed and evolved until it became a man? No, by God! How feeble and unfounded is this thought! For the originality of the human species and the independence of the essence of man are clear and evident.”
Bahá, Abdu’l. “Some Answered Questions.” Bahá’í
Note, that I am not quoting the member from another thread, which is against forum rules, but reposting a citation from Baha'i scriptures which happens to be found in that post I recalled being there. You can read for yourself what that other member's thoughts were himself in post after post after post after post in that thread which says what I stated to you that I have been told by a Baha'i that Baha'is believe.
So, am I just being vague here to you still? Care to answer my question about what to do when you find that the teachings of the Prophet contradict science? What do you do with this? Will you answer? Is this really my bias, or a fact about what the Baha'i believe?
At least your citations are now accurate, but incomplete and selective, and absolutely do not reflect your previous third party statements. Though they are incomplete as far as the view of science and evolution from the perspective of the whole of the Baha'i writings. Your view reflects the archaic view that scripture must be interpreted literally. The Baha'i view is the spiritual and physical knowledge of humanity is dynamic and evolves over time and not the stone like literal fixed nature of ancient religions of the past.
The bottom line is these are commentary on the nature of scientific knowledge of the time, and not infallible scripture as the principles and laws of the Baha'i Faith.
The principle of the harmony of science and religion is the standard for the evolving nature of science which is accepted by the Baha'i Faith as the standard of the physical nature of our physical existence.
From: Science and Religion | What Bahá’ís Believe
An Ever-Advancing Civilization
Science and Religion
Bahá’ís reject the notion that there is an inherent conflict between science and religion, a notion that became prevalent in intellectual discourse at a time when the very conception of each system of knowledge was far from adequate. The harmony of science and religion is one of the fundamental principles of the Bahá’í Faith, which teaches that religion, without science, soon degenerates into superstition and fanaticism, while science without religion becomes merely the instrument of crude materialism. “Religion,” according to the Bahá’í writings, “is the outer expression of the divine reality. Therefore, it must be living, vitalized, moving and progressive.”1 “Science is the first emanation from God toward man. All created things embody the potentiality of material perfection, but the power of intellectual investigation and scientific acquisition is a higher virtue specialized to man alone. Other beings and organisms are deprived of this potentiality and attainment.”2
So far as earthly existence is concerned, many of the greatest achievements of religion have been moral in character. Through its teachings and through the examples of human lives illumined by these teachings, masses of people in all ages and lands have developed the capacity to love, to give generously, to serve others, to forgive, to trust in God, and to sacrifice for the common good. Social structures and institutional systems have been devised that translate these moral advances into the norms of social life on a vast scale. In the final analysis, the spiritual impulses set in motion by the Founders of the world’s religions—the Manifestations of God—have been the chief influence in the civilizing of human character.
‘Abdu’l-Bahá has described science as the “most noble” of all human virtues and “the discoverer of all things”.3 Science has enabled society to separate fact from conjecture. Further, scientific capabilities—of observing, of measuring, of rigorously testing ideas—have allowed humanity to construct a coherent understanding of the laws and processes governing physical reality, as well as to gain insights into human conduct and the life of society.
Taken together, science and religion provide the fundamental organizing principles by which individuals, communities, and institutions function and evolve. When the material and spiritual dimensions of the life of a community are kept in mind and due attention is given to both scientific and spiritual knowledge, the tendency to reduce human progress to the consumption of goods, services and technological packages is avoided. Scientific knowledge, to take but one simple example, helps the members of a community to analyse the physical and social implications of a given technological proposal—say, its environmental impact—and spiritual insight gives rise to moral imperatives that uphold social harmony and that ensure technology serves the common good. Together, these two sources of knowledge are essential to the liberation of individuals and communities from the traps of ignorance and passivity. They are vital to the advancement of civilization.
Your hostile agenda, relying on selective citations, and third party references that reflect your agenda is overwhelmingly apparent.
Actually probably not. First problem, correctness is a very human perspective.
The teachings of Jesus, and the other Manifestations of God objectively may or may have 'Divine Source.' but . . .
It is possible that originally what we call religions or belief systems may have a common 'Source' over the spiritual evolving history of humanity, but yes fallible humans tend to mold God(s) in their own image, and possess their beliefs very selfishly.
InChrist
Free4ever
What do you mean by you have a "far more open minded view"?
InChrist
Free4ever
How does that make sense, realistically? That is like saying any number is the correct sum of 2 plus 2, not only 4. Or all medical professionals are correct sources for a triple-bypass, not just heart surgeons.
Besides, Jesus is not a religion. Jesus is a Person, the Savior. Big difference.
The diverse belief systems that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ are a part of the religion of Christianity.
ALL of the creative days are summed up by the word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4.
So, the word ' day ' does Not have to mean a literal 24-hr. day.
There is Nothing in Genesis to suggest a 24-hr creative day, or even that each of the creative days are of the same length of time or of differing lengths of time. Thus, a ' creative day ' can be any length of time.
The line up of the creative days are in harmony with nature.
The Anointed
Well-Known Member
Brahman SPEECH the creator, Logos WORD the creator, The light of man, all the wisdom, knowledge and sight gained from the body of mankind the Most High in the creation, was the supreme personality of Godhead within the ever evolving collective consciousness that is the Logos.
It is He, our God, who sits in the throne of the MOST HIGH, who is the witness at the beginning of each cycle of universal activity, It is He, who said, "Let there be light" as he observed the logos begin to become the universe and all herein.
In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with the MOST HIGH, and the Logos was God. He [The Most High was in the beginning with the Logos through all thing originated. For all things were made through him, by him, and for him. Without the Logos was not anything made that was made. In him was life, [A supreme Personality of Godhead to the ever evolving cosmic cloud of consciousness] and that life was the 'Light of Man,' who stood on the top rung of the ladder of evolution.
Energy cannot be created and can never be destroyed.
The eternal energy, which has no beginning and no end, is the only true constant, he is today as he has always been, He is in the constant state of change/evolution. You will never find a mind that has ceased to evolve, for a mind that ceases to evolve, ceases to exist, and the eternal evolving energy, can never cease to exist..
Audie
Veteran Member
Of course,you just responded to the "6 days" part of
the BS in genesis, and, you chose an interpretation for
"day" that force fits genesis to reality.
I am not impressed.
Audie
Veteran Member
I dont suppose you could say this in like plain old
daily words?
stuff like this-and the Logos was with the MOST HIGH, and the Logos was God. He [The Most High is just a bunch
of obscurantist jarg.
A capable speaker can put any concept into simple
words, a person who cannot is one who is just
talking with no understanding.
What was the language Brahman used to create the universe? What did he/she/it say?
Hint: Brahman did not create the universe; Brahman is not a creator god; Brahman is not God at all, despite the popular yet incorrect belief. No one knows how the universe came to be. The Nasadiya Sukta (Hymn of Creation, "ná ásat", "not the non-existent"), Rig Veda (10:129) questions it. The bold for slokas 6 & 7 is mine.
1. Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping?
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?
...
6. But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?
7. Whence all creation had its origin,
the creator, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
the creator, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows — or maybe even he does not know.
Om - Wikipedia
Om (listen (help·info), IAST: Devanagari: ॐ, Tamil: ௐ, Telugu: ఓం, Kannada: ಓಂ), also written as 'Aum', is the most sacred syllable symbol', it's the Sanskrit word for God "Brahman" in Hindu religion. the word generally refers to Ultimate reality "Supreme" & mantra in Hinduism,[1] that signifies the essence of the ultimate reality, consciousness or Atman.[2][3][4] The Aum sound is the primordial sound, and is called the Shabda-Brahman "Sound of God or the Name of God" (Brahman as sound).[5]It is a syllable that is chanted either independently or before a mantra.[6][7]
शब्द m. śabda sound
शब्द m. śabda word
Sanskrit Dictionary for Spoken Sanskrit
Ok yeah, you're right. This is right there in the Nasadiya Sukta and the Upanishads.
ManSinha
Well-Known Member
Have you studied the Vedantic philosophies or read thru the SGGS?
syo
Well-Known Member
Do you think the religions are fakes? Only one religion is correct??? And why only one???
InChrist
Free4ever
That is the problem I see with diverse "belief systems" that are part of the "religion of Christianity", since biblical Christianity is not meant to be a system or religion where one simply follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, but instead a relationship with Him, by which one is born again into a new life, a new creation with Christ living within.
InChrist
Free4ever
No.