I and the father are one.

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(Whatever...have a nice day.)

You too.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes we do. And in fact, Yahya (John was about flower of "life") in Arabic means "who gives life".

Question - since you say you are a Shi'ite Muslim, how many imams are there in your religion or sect?

 

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Question - since you say you are a Shi'ite Muslim, how many imams are there in your religion or sect?

Mohammad (s) has Twelve to succeed his position and Fatima (a) shares his spiritual station. However, while all of them are seen together in one mission, it's the current Imam (leader) who is the light of God and the door of God. You have to recognize the current leader and he is the door of God but of course, the Mahdi is connected with Fatima and his Twelve Captains (starting with Mohammad (s) the Nabi, and ending with Hassan Al-Askari). They are with him.

Same way, we see in Gospels, Moses (a) is with him, Elijah (a) is with him. Moses (a) obviously the founder is to show, people claiming connection to Moses (a) are in fact disconnected while disciples would see him with Jesus (a). Elijah (a) specifically was because his life was preserved and since Jesus (a) was heading to heaven, Elijah (a) came from heaven to earth, to hold position of light and holy spirit, till Mohammad (s). And Mohammad (s) as the Prophet who John was not, nor was John the Messiah nor Elijah, per his own words, to me is obvious. Comforter or praised/thanked one however you want to translate, Mohammad (s) is clearly in the Gospels to me.

It's part of all this word games from Trinity to other things, that people can't see the Gospels for what it is.

 

[dybmh]

Yes we do. And in fact, Yahya (John was about flower of "life") in Arabic means "who gives life".

Well, each person has to come to their own understanding, their own limits.

For me, stating "I am the gate" "I give eternal life" "I and The Father are one" is crossing a line.

 

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Well, each person has to come to their own understanding, their own limits.

For me, stating "I am the gate" "I give eternal life" "I and The Father are one" is crossing a line.

Even though in reality, Samuel's (I know some say it means God hears, but I believe it means God's Name for many reasons I've explained before)name, is an expression of that as well.

 

[dybmh]

Even though in reality, Samuel's (I know some say it means God hears, but I believe it means God's Name for many reasons I've explained before)name, is an expression of that as well.

But if Samuel said "I give eternal life" that would be blasphemy.

 

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their own limits.

Which is why God told Mohammad (s) to not be loud nor too silent. Moses (a) was a bit silent and that was his knot on his tongue. Isa (a) was loud. Quran is also middle toned in that respect.

However, Imam Mohamad Al-Baqir (a) expressed loud things like Isa (a) and even louder.

 

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But if Samuel said "I give eternal life" that would be blasphemy.

Can you explain why?

 

[dybmh]

Can you explain why?

Sure, command over life and death is God's domain/dominion.

Genesis 9:5 "But for your own life-blood I will require a reckoning: I will require it of every beast; of humankind, too, will I require a reckoning for human life, of everyone for each other!"

 

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Sure, command over life and death is God's domain/dominion.

Genesis 9:5 And surely I will require the life of any man or beast by whose hand your lifeblood is shed. I will demand an accounting from anyone who takes the life of his fellow man:

That has nothing to do with Isa (a) words. Please, try again. You may have a point, but I don't see it.

 

[dybmh]

That has nothing to do with Isa (a) words. Please, try again. You may have a point, but I don't see it.

Here's a better translation:

But for your own life-blood I will require a reckoning: I will require it of every beast; of humankind, too, will I require a reckoning for human life, of everyone for each other!​

The point is, God is in command of life and death. "...for your own life-blood I require a reckoning ..." Saying "I give eternal life" is claiming to be God.

 

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Here's a better translation:

But for your own life-blood I will require a reckoning: I will require it of every beast; of humankind, too, will I require a reckoning for human life, of everyone for each other!​

The point is, God is in command of life and death. "...for your own life-blood I require a reckoning ..." Saying "I give eternal life" is claiming to be God.

Try to contextualize Jesus (a) words and what he means. I can't see what you are saying has anything to do with that.

I will soon show, how Jesus (a) words is expressed in Quran in many verses.

The Quran is subtle in how it explains all this. I will then show hadiths and how they explained similar expressions of Imams (a).

 

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The context is talking about his position as light and holy spirit. I will leave it at that, and tomorrow inshallah provide detailed explanation from Quran and ahadith to show Isa (a) is expressing truth.

 

[dybmh]

I can't see what you are saying has anything to do with that.

"God is for us a God of deliverance;
GOD the Lord provides an escape from death."

Psalms 68:21

Try to contextualize Jesus (a) words and what he means.

I am, that's why I brought other verses from chapter 10 to make my case. In context it sounds like Jesus is possessed or is claiming to be a god.

 

[YoursTrue]

Mohammad (s) has Twelve to succeed his position and Fatima (a) shares his spiritual station. However, while all of them are seen together in one mission, it's the current Imam (leader) who is the light of God and the door of God. You have to recognize the current leader and he is the door of God but of course, the Mahdi is connected with Fatima and his Twelve Captains (starting with Mohammad (s) the Nabi, and ending with Hassan Al-Askari). They are with him.

Same way, we see in Gospels, Moses (a) is with him, Elijah (a) is with him. Moses (a) obviously the founder is to show, people claiming connection to Moses (a) are in fact disconnected while disciples would see him with Jesus (a). Elijah (a) specifically was because his life was preserved and since Jesus (a) was heading to heaven, Elijah (a) came from heaven to earth, to hold position of light and holy spirit, till Mohammad (s). And Mohammad (s) as the Prophet who John was not, nor was John the Messiah nor Elijah, per his own words, to me is obvious. Comforter or praised/thanked one however you want to translate, Mohammad (s) is clearly in the Gospels to me.

It's part of all this word games from Trinity to other things, that people can't see the Gospels for what it is.

Here's what Jesus said, "My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand. " John 10. I believe Jesus as written in the holy scriptures. I wonder if all the imams agree within Islam about the various ideas and folds, otherwise why would there be Shiite and other groups within the religion called Islam? Just wondering...

 

[YoursTrue]

"God is for us a God of deliverance;
GOD the Lord provides an escape from death."

Psalms 68:21


I am, that's why I brought other verses from chapter 10 to make my case. In context it sounds like Jesus is possessed or is claiming to be a god.

He was telling the truth. And when he mentioned gods from psalm 82, how do you feel about that? By the way, not all wanted to kill him. In the meantime, though, religions stay as they are, believing this or that, and it is God will make the decision as to what's true and what's not. Psalm 82 sums it up.

 

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A human adult man in natural life is a human life procreator.

Advised first.

All human men never the origin father have been born baby men. Grow into adult father's inheritance.

Man's consciousness naturally loves his memory father. Father's origin human man place. Adult man.

Adult man invented from planet earths stone rock man's science. So was hurt by its converting destruction nuclear science.

Was a man's human man teaching. Why my human life inherited biological sacrifice.

Claim ice is gods saviour. Rock Stone mass.

Our blood type red. Our cell biology is life on earth after ice.

Any type of heated earth status is a known evil only.

As saviour ice as ice remassed end of year saves keeps stable balances of animal birth and human birth.

 

[dybmh]

He was telling the truth. And when he mentioned gods from psalm 82, how do you feel about that?

I feel OK about it. Jesus in John wasn't a liar. His miracles require strict adherence to truthful words. God doesn't tolerate false words. Proverbs 12:22.

 

[YoursTrue]

Sure, command over life and death is God's domain/dominion.

Genesis 9:5 "But for your own life-blood I will require a reckoning: I will require it of every beast; of humankind, too, will I require a reckoning for human life, of everyone for each other!"

It's interesting because of what Moses wrote in the Law. In that if the Israelites obeyed the Law, they would be a kingdom of priests. Exodus 19 says: "Now if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, you will be My treasured possession out of all the nations--for the whole earth is Mine. 6And unto Me you shall be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to speak to the Israelites.” 7So Moses went back and summoned the elders of the people and set before them all these words that the LORD had commanded him.…"
A kingdom of priests. So the Almighty God gave the proviso that if they obeyed His voice and kept His covenant.

 

[YoursTrue]

I feel OK about it. Jesus in John wasn't a liar. His miracles require strict adherence to truthful words. God doesn't tolerate false words. Proverbs 12:22.

It's tied up with the Law and adherence to it.