I believe God loves gays and lesbians

[mikkel_the_dane]

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I already exist and know myself. Why would you think otherwise? Is someone filling your head with strange thoughts?

No, but you are product of nature and nurture as much as everybody else. So in a sense you are not yourself as just you. You are a social animal in a culture and that becomes a part of you.

 

[Ashoka]

Even murderers, kidnappers, blasphemers, rapist, antisemites, non Christians, atheists?
Why would He love someone that defies His will, or denies His existence, or persecutes those that worship Him?
Why would He love someone like homosexuals, that have perverted His creation, influenced others to do the same, especially when the majority of them are atheists also?

Your beliefs and comprehension are highly questionable.

"I am equally disposed to all living beings; I am neither inimical nor partial to anyone. But the devotees who worship Me with love reside in Me and I reside in them. Even if the vilest sinners worship Me with exclusive devotion, they are to be considered righteous because they have made the proper resolve." - B.G. 9.29-30.

 

[The Hammer]

Do not look for requirements. Look for what actually is. Do not look for what you want things to be. Look for what actually is. If one limits one's view to what one wants things to be, how much of the view will be missing from sight? One who truly seeks must be open to all possibilities. Real truth will not always be an agreeable thing.

Everything about God will add up perfectly. Everything about this world adds up perfectly. Do not be one who relies on all the religious beliefs of others. It has never ever been about believing.

How about starting with this universe? Why is the universe time-based and causal in nature? What is the purpose? Look for purpose, results, and reason.

Unconditional Love? Why Unconditional Love?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

Enjoy

 

[DNB]

"I am equally disposed to all living beings; I am neither inimical nor partial to anyone. But the devotees who worship Me with love reside in Me and I reside in them. Even if the vilest sinners worship Me with exclusive devotion, they are to be considered righteous because they have made the proper resolve." - B.G. 9.29-30.

I Have no idea what fool that you are talking about, or quoting above?
Besides, the last sentence is an oxymoron - a vile sinner can not love sin or its adherents, and at the same time love the author of righteousness.

 

[Ashoka]

I Have no idea what fool that you are talking about, or quoting above?
Besides, the last sentence is an oxymoron - a vile sinner can not love sin or its adherents, and at the same time love the author of righteousness.

I am quoting the Bhagavad Gita, which I should have clarified. At any rate, Krishna, whom I see as God, states that he gives Himself to all beings, but at the same time, has no partiality to anyone. In other words, he doesn't have special people that he sets aside to hate. God is above such human, materialistic ideals. Why would an infinite being hate? Why would the same infinite being hate his own creation?

A sinner who turns to God most certainly can love the author of righteousness if they come to him with a sincere heart. Meaning, God's grace is infinite and can change even those society has tossed away. Devotion to God, according to the Gita, can change anyone.

But you? You choose to believe in a God that would hate people. A very human, finite emotion. God is above such things. And no one is ever too far gone.

 

[DNB]

I am quoting the Bhagavad Gita, which I should have clarified. At any rate, Krishna, whom I see as God, states that he gives Himself to all beings, but at the same time, has no partiality to anyone. In other words, he doesn't have special people that he sets aside to hate. God is above such human, materialistic ideals. Why would an infinite being hate? Why would the same infinite being hate his own creation?

A sinner who turns to God most certainly can love the author of righteousness if they come to him with a sincere heart. Meaning, God's grace is infinite and can change even those society has tossed away. Devotion to God, according to the Gita, can change anyone.

But you? You choose to believe in a God that would hate people. A very human, finite emotion. God is above such things. And no one is ever too far gone.

ok, yes, God is forgiving provided that one changes their ways.
But. again, what about those who refuse to recognize sin for what it is, and not renounce their ervil ways. Which, of course, there are multitudes of people like that.

 

[The Hammer]

But. again, what about those who refuse to recognize sin for what it is, and not renounce their ervil ways. W

Both dark and light are necessary for creation to unfold.

 

[DNB]

Both dark and light are necessary for creation to unfold.

Yes, that's why I always carry a flashlight and and sunglasses with me.

 

[F1fan]

ok, yes, God is forgiving provided that one changes their ways.

That isn't what Jesus teaches. So humans have to love unconditionally but not your God?

But. again, what about those who refuse to recognize sin for what it is, and not renounce their ervil ways. Which, of course, there are multitudes of people like that.

They are loved, just as Jesus taught, right? Or do you disagree with Jesus?

 

[The Hammer]

Yes, that's why I always carry a flashlight and and sunglasses with me.

Good then you understand ours is a world of duality.

Glad you understand the problem of evil.

 

[DNB]

That isn't what Jesus teaches. So humans have to love unconditionally but not your God?

They are loved, just as Jesus taught, right? Or do you disagree with Jesus?

You're trying teach me about what Jesus said?
Have you ever heard of hell?

 

[Ashoka]

ok, yes, God is forgiving provided that one changes their ways.
But. again, what about those who refuse to recognize sin for what it is, and not renounce their ervil ways. Which, of course, there are multitudes of people like that.

Simply coming to God, even as a sinner who hates God, can transform someone.

There's a story about a man who worshiped Mara, an asura (demon). He would chant Mara's name all the time and one day ran into a holy man. The holy man asked the Mara worshiper to chant Mara backwards. Rama. Rama is a name for God. So the man did it, and he began to notice a change. He was happier. He began to do charitable deeds and turned from his evil ways. He went back to the holy man and asked him what had happened. The holy man replied that he had been transformed just by chanting the name of God.

God's grace is causeless and can do anything.

 

[F1fan]

You're trying teach me about what Jesus said?

I'm pointing out how you claim to be a Christian but don't seem to bother following the teachings of Jesus. There are many Christians who do this. It's easy to observe. Why don't you value what Jesus taught?

Have you ever heard of hell?

Of course, it is an idea that many Christians use as a weapon against others. It's funny that no matter how cruel and immoral Christians behave they never think they are destined for hell. Hell is always for other people, according to certain Christians. Frankly it's an absurd idea, along with heaven, in a literal sense. It makes more sence as a metaphor of states of mind. For example mean and hate-filled people (like Christians who supposedly follow Jesus will condemn gays and trans kids) can be said to be living in a hellish state, while those people who live in a way that Jesus taught (even if they aren't Christian) can be said to being living in a heavenly state of mind. Too bad churches don't teach that we should all work to accept others for who they are, and help each other live in a more heavenly state.

What do you do to move away from your judgment and condemnation of your fellow human beings, and move towards a more heavenly state of living?

 

[F1fan]

Simply coming to God, even as a sinner who hates God, can transform someone.

There's a story about a man who worshiped Mara, an asura (demon). He would chant Mara's name all the time and one day ran into a holy man. The holy man asked the Mara worshiper to chant Mara backwards. Rama. Rama is a name for God. So the man did it, and he began to notice a change. He was happier. He began to do charitable deeds and turned from his evil ways. He went back to the holy man and asked him what had happened. The holy man replied that he had been transformed just by chanting the name of God.

God's grace is causeless and can do anything.

Your post is a similar story to what I just posted about hellish versus heavenly states of mind. We can enhance or sabotage our well-being with our attitudes, and is much like the "power of positive thinking".

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Your post is a similar story to what I just posted about hellish versus heavenly states of mind. We can enhance or sabotage our well-being with our attitudes, and is much like the "power of positive thinking".

Yeah, I get that. But as a realist in practice there are at least 3 states, negative, positive and realistic.
So yes, if relevant use positive thinking, but be mindful of the limitation, or you could delude yourself.

 

[F1fan]

Yeah, I get that. But as a realist in practice there are at least 3 states, negative, positive and realistic.

This suggests that negative and postive aren't realistic.

So yes, if relevant use positive thinking, but be mindful of the limitation, or you could delude yourself.

Right, don't jump off a building using the "power of postive thinking" that you can fly. Good advice.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

This suggests that negative and postive aren't realistic.
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Well, no.
But remember for somebody of my kind of training as a former professional soldier realism is different than some cases of everyday realism.
And then add I am in effect a high functioning crazy person.

And yes, I know how cognitive approach works in psychology, but that is not the only method.

 

[DNB]

Simply coming to God, even as a sinner who hates God, can transform someone.

There's a story about a man who worshiped Mara, an asura (demon). He would chant Mara's name all the time and one day ran into a holy man. The holy man asked the Mara worshiper to chant Mara backwards. Rama. Rama is a name for God. So the man did it, and he began to notice a change. He was happier. He began to do charitable deeds and turned from his evil ways. He went back to the holy man and asked him what had happened. The holy man replied that he had been transformed just by chanting the name of God.

God's grace is causeless and can do anything.

You expect me to believe that shallow nonsense?

 

[Ashoka]

You expect me to believe that shallow nonsense?

Nah, you've shown you have tunnel vision. It's more for seekers who come to this forum wanting to find answers. People who are LGBT who want hope that there is a God who loves them and accepts them. People who will stand up to bigotry.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

Reality ultimately created homosexuals and if two homosexuals are in love with each other I see nobody being a victim of it. If the perceived problem is population, there's already eight billion of us and there's ways homosexuals can have children now so I don't see that as an issue. Since I believe reality is God, reality cannot be the victim of homosexual feelings or behaviors. So I see nothing wrong with it. It's one of the many victimless sins that various religious have propagated.