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I believe in Creation ...and Evolution

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
Hypothesis #1: Destroying the Cornerstone of the Evolutionary Hypothesis

The first diagram attempts to prove how evolution is false because specific traits cannot be passed from mother to offspring by way of DNA, and that Natural Selection is therefore moot.

In its attempt, the diagram tells us that, for instance, although DNA is responsible for making collagen, (a molecule which acts as "scaffolding" for our bodies in many different tissues, etc.), is is not responsible for the assembly of that collagen, and therefore evolution is impossible.

In rebuttel to this claim, I would like to remind/inform everyone that DNA most certainly is responsible for the assembly, growth, and maintenance of collagen in the body. Collagen is a protein, and therefore is a substance which is controlled by enzymes, and sometimes acts as an enzyme itself. Collagen recieves directions about where and how to assemble by interacting with different enzymes and molecules, all of which are coded for in the DNA...which means that they were made from DNA...which means that DNA DOES control the assembly of collagen, as well as every other protein in our bodies. This diagram was blatantly unscientific.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein

Hypothesis #2: Creationism can be Proven

This article explains how in the Q'ran, Allah says that he created everything from water. Therefore, because all living things are created from water, they should and do display water-like characteristics. For example, water molecules are held together by weak hydrogen bonds in a sort of hexagonal pattern, and likewise the honeycomb beehives is arranged in a hexagonal pattern, and the bees attach themselves too it with hydrogen bonds....wait, that last part might not be right...

In addition, water ripples when a rock hits its surface, and likewise earthquakes act with a rippling motion.

I don't think I need to go too far into all of this as to why it is bunk. First of all, just because two things look alike, doesn't mean they are alike. Water molecules held together by hydrogen bonds and a bee's honeycomb couldn't bee more different. ;) To clarify my point, George Washington sure looks like this one rock I saw in Mount Rushmore, but that doesn't mean that Georgie is made of rock, or vice versa.

Everytime I look into "creationist evidence" I always do so with high hopes, and I am always dissappointed.
 

Zaid

New Member
Dear All,
The following Diagram shows the decisive scientific proof to the invalidity of evolution hypothesis and the validity of the fact of creation.
Evolut42.jpg
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
OK Zaid... now that you've posted that (thank you)... I am looking forward to hearing you defend it....

...Ceridwen seemed to make easy work of your "evidence".... what say you?
 

Zaid

New Member
Dear All,
The fist diagram shows how the basic permise of evolution can be destroyed. As shown in the diagram DNA can not pass on the design features of the creature.
Since protiens when they leave the DNA how do they form the shape of a finger or an arm? this is not DNA driven since DNA does not exist outside of the cell.
Allah (God) Almighty integrated a design mark (The hexagonal shape). This shape is the signiature of the creator. Which testifies that He designed creation based on this shape.
Zaid.
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
Ummm... Zaid... look up the thread a bit.... post #341... Ceridwen/picture of a red horse... see it?

OK... now read and reply to the post..... GO!
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
For one, something that stands out to me is the reference to numerological coincidences of '6' in the grater part of diagram 2 - that, I would sujest is merely coincidental. If it is, it destroys the entire table 2.;)
 

Zaid

New Member
Scott,
I read the reply you are drawing my attention to. and my reply is this:
1. DNA does not inheret the shape of an arm or a foot. DNA does not exist outside of the cell. Enzymic reactions can not generate the shape of an arm or a foot.
2. Allah (God) Almighty created everything from water (thus it is a design process not evolution). The evidence for this is written large in the pictures shown. It is not a coincidence that everything in creation has the hexagonal structure in it.
Zaid.
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the note Zaid... I missed it in your earlier remark.

One question:
Allah (God) Almighty created everything from water
Forgive my ignorance.... I can barely spell science ;) ... but I thought that everything was carbon based?
 

Zaid

New Member
Dear Scott,
You are welcome, about your question.
It is stated in the Noble Qur'an that everything is created from water. Which means that everything is created with the same design of water. For example, water has a hexagonal structure and thus every living thing has a hexagonal structure in its build up.
Energy is propagated in water in concentric spheres and all forms of energy follow the same way.
Water has hydrogen in its make up and all other atoms are made from the fusion of hydrogen atoms and thus all atoms comprising creation can be traced back to water components.
I hope that answers your question.
Zaid.
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
Zaid said:
For example, water has a hexagonal structure and thus every living thing has a hexagonal structure in its build up.
Again... you'll have to bear with me.... but everything I read about this shows me conflicting data from your claim.

Sulfer, if my research is correct, does not have a hexagonal structure, but a orthorhombic bipyramidal structure.... and this is only one of many examples.
Water has hydrogen in its make up and all other atoms are made from the fusion of hydrogen atoms and thus all atoms comprising creation can be traced back to water components.

Again, sorry... I was taught that carbon was the basis of all organic compounds... maybe someone who is more knowledgeable in science can explain.
 

Pah

Uber all member
Zaid said:
Dear Scott,
You are welcome, about your question.
It is stated in the Noble Qur'an that everything is created from water. Which means that everything is created with the same design of water. For example, water has a hexagonal structure and thus every living thing has a hexagonal structure in its build up.
Energy is propagated in water in concentric spheres and all forms of energy follow the same way.
Water has hydrogen in its make up and all other atoms are made from the fusion of hydrogen atoms and thus all atoms comprising creation can be traced back to water components.
I hope that answers your question.
Zaid.
Not "created" from water - water is an essential component but not hexagonal. Water is comprise of 2 hydrgen and one oxygen atoms - cant get 6 sides from that.

The living cell has no six sided structure- a lot of molecules chained together that twist and turn within the cell. The outer cell is global with global layers no six sides there.

I quess the Koran is wrong - sorry
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
Scott1 said:
Again... you'll have to bear with me.... but everything I read about this shows me conflicting data from your claim.

Sulfer, if my research is correct, does not have a hexagonal structure, but a orthorhombic bipyramidal structure.... and this is only one of many examples.

Again, sorry... I was taught that carbon was the basis of all organic compounds... maybe someone who is more knowledgeable in science can explain.
May be he is trying to say that hydrogen is the simplest atom, that can be made into other atoms, such as two hydrogen becoming a helium, three forming lithium etc (of course with some plus or minus of electron and positron). So hydrogen is considered as a basic building block.

However, I think Mohammed observed that water is needed for life form to exist, and hence may have stated something to that effect, and through oral tradition of changing may end of to be God created everything from water.
 

greatcalgarian

Well-Known Member
Pah said:
Not "created" from water - water is an essential component but not hexagonal. Water is comprise of 2 hydrgen and one oxygen atoms - cant get 6 sides from that.

The living cell has no six sided structure- a lot of molecules chained together that twist and turn within the cell. The outer cell is global with global layers no six sides there.

I quess the Koran is wrong - sorry
I think he is thinking about ice crystals:D Not completely wrong:jiggy:

snow.gif
 

Pah

Uber all member
greatcalgarian said:
I think he is thinking about ice crystals:D Not completely wrong:jiggy:

snow.gif
Don't know how frozen water would give life - a minor point perhaps :sarcastic
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Pah said:
Don't know how frozen water would give life - a minor point perhaps :sarcastic
How about if there was bacteria in the water, which froze, and the ice melts?:D
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
robtex said:
For the theists that are evolutionary theists, how do you reconcile the idea of genetic drift?
Evolution within a Lineage

In order for continuing evolution there must be mechanisms to increase or create genetic variation and mechanisms to decrease it. The mechanisms of evolution are mutation, natural selection, genetic drift, recombination and gene flow. I have grouped them into two classes -- those that decrease genetic variation and those that increase it.

See http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html.

I don't see how that comes into it Rob?:)
 
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