I believe Satan has brain washed most Christians/people.

[Shadow Wolf]

My dad was often absentee and emotionally detached even when he was around and I think this leaves a huge emptiness in a child's heart making it difficult to understand God's love.

My father has never served as my model of god. I didn't need him to understand God's love.

I am of the view that God does not oppress, rather He lifts one up and brings liberty.

According to god, I was to oppress myself, and forfeit any hope or chance of authentic living or an authentic life.

I once read somewhere that God humbles, but Satan humiliates and the words rang so true with me.

God was the one who humiliated me. While I was a Christian, I felt great shame over many things. Any sort of sexual urges were shameful, sexual curiosities about men were shameful, and knowing that I should have been born female, and needing to live as being acknowledged as female, was the most shameful of all.
But even a lot of knowledge was forbidden, a lot of it was obscured, and if it wasn't from a church source it was discouraged.
Lucifer empowered me. Rather than tossing me pre-approved knowledge to fit into his worldview in order to quench my thirst for knowledge, he put a handful of salt in my mouth to drive me to seek sources of water to quench my thirst, but it has not yet been quenched. Rather than telling me to be ashamed and keep myself buried deep inside, he told me their is no reason I shouldn't live my life as I should live it.

 

[Ingledsva]

At this point I am not convinced that the Hebrews were fringe Canaanites. Even if they were, it is irrelevant. God called Abram out from his people and country to set him and his descendants apart from the culture of the day. All the practices you mentioned....multiple gods, child sacrifice, etc. were forbidden and the Hebrews were informed that God considered such things to be wicked abominations.

Indeed - why do you think they tried to stop these things? Because they weren't going on? They were doing all of these things, and according to the Bible, - continued to do them resulting in GENOCIDE. They killed their own people, kings, Priests, etc., OVER-and-OVER-and-OVER.

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[Ingledsva]

I never knew that about the ancient Hebrews. Is there a link you have handy or point me in
a direction where I can learn more about the pre-monotheist Hebrews.
This is really interesting. I love learning more so thanks.
By the way, I've read a lot of your posts and you do make an impression.

Oh my - I will have to go digging. Archaeology has a very good article on this called - Who were the Israelites?

Start by reading Post # 61 in the ABRAM thread in General Religious Debates.

The rest of you that have already posted - the Hebrew are Canaanites posts - please re-post for him. Thanks.

Forgot to add - all three things mentioned - Hebrew Goddess, Child Sacrifice, and Sacred Sex, are all in the Bible itself, and we have been discussing them recently.

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[leibowde84]

I believe I could say it is because you aren't in a charismatic church but I remember one where the Holy Spirit would move greatly but one person would sit reading his Bible completely disassociated from the Spirit.

So, without any proof whatsoever, you assume that this is due to my own personal lacking. A pretty unjustified (and insulting/arrogant) view if you ask me. Seems a bit more reasonable to assume that your experience was not really Jesus, but that is just mho.

 

[Awab Navi]

The Reformers also taught a gospel that was never taught before.


For one thing along with the Catholic Church they on the most part taught that killing in a war was OK.


Also the reformers never taught that one who knew God could not sin.


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God”

Does God have SEEDS like HUMANS (SPERM)? - or does God have a DIFFERENT SEED?, if so please DESCRIBE it.

 

[Awab Navi]

Does God have SEEDS like HUMANS (SPERM)? - or does God have a DIFFERENT SEED?, if so please DESCRIBE it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Does God have SEEDS like HUMANS (SPERM)? - or does God have a DIFFERENT SEED?, if so please DESCRIBE it.

If god is a god, this would mean not human, and not human would mean not human human sperm or ovum.

 

[InChrist]

My father has never served as my model of god. I didn't need him to understand God's love.

According to god, I was to oppress myself, and forfeit any hope or chance of authentic living or an authentic life.

God was the one who humiliated me. While I was a Christian, I felt great shame over many things. Any sort of sexual urges were shameful, sexual curiosities about men were shameful, and knowing that I should have been born female, and needing to live as being acknowledged as female, was the most shameful of all.
But even a lot of knowledge was forbidden, a lot of it was obscured, and if it wasn't from a church source it was discouraged.
Lucifer empowered me. Rather than tossing me pre-approved knowledge to fit into his worldview in order to quench my thirst for knowledge, he put a handful of salt in my mouth to drive me to seek sources of water to quench my thirst, but it has not yet been quenched. Rather than telling me to be ashamed and keep myself buried deep inside, he told me their is no reason I shouldn't live my life as I should live it.

And how should you live your life?

 

[InChrist]

Indeed - why do you think they tried to stop these things? Because they weren't going on? They were doing all of these things, and according to the Bible, - continued to do them resulting in GENOCIDE. They killed their own people, kings, Priests, etc., OVER-and-OVER-and-OVER.

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Whatever you just said doesn't make any sense, except for the last sentence..."They killed their own people, kings, Priests, etc., OVER-and-OVER-and-OVER.", which I think just proves the Bible is correct that everyone is sinful and in need of a Savior.

 

[Ingledsva]

Whatever you just said doesn't make any sense, except for the last sentence..."They killed their own people, kings, Priests, etc., OVER-and-OVER-and-OVER.", which I think just proves the Bible is correct that everyone is sinful and in need of a Savior.

It makes perfect sense.

According to the Bible stories, the ONE God Hebrew committed genocide on their own people, over-and-over-and-over, - killing the Kings, Priests, and people, - because they chose to worship their old God and Goddess, rather than the new ONE God, - and because they brought back Sacred Sex to the Temple.

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[psychoslice]

It makes perfect sense.

According to the Bible stories, the ONE God Hebrew committed genocide on their own people, over-and-over-and-over, - killing the Kings, Priests, and people, - because they chose to worship their old God and Goddess, rather than the new ONE God, - and because they brought back Sacred Sex to the Temple.

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Yes they were certainly ignorant back then.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And how should you life your life?

In a way that many conservatives would say is an abomination before god.

 

[InChrist]

It makes perfect sense.

According to the Bible stories, the ONE God Hebrew committed genocide on their own people, over-and-over-and-over, - killing the Kings, Priests, and people, - because they chose to worship their old God and Goddess, rather than the new ONE God, - and because they brought back Sacred Sex to the Temple.

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I'd say that is according to your perspective, but not according to the Bible. According to the Bible humans had lost or turned from knowledge of the ONE Creator to the worship of false gods of their own imagination becoming progressively more and more corrupt and wicked in their behavior. The One Creator of all life does not and cannot commit genocide.

 

[InChrist]

In a way that many conservatives would say is an abomination before god.

Who cares what conservatives think? If there is a God who created life to begin with though, I do care what He thinks concerning my life, but that's my perspective. I know a lot of people don't.

 

[Ingledsva]

I'd say that is according to your perspective, but not according to the Bible. According to the Bible humans had lost or turned from knowledge of the ONE Creator to the worship of false gods of their own imagination becoming progressively more and more corrupt and wicked in their behavior. The One Creator of all life does not and cannot commit genocide.

There is nothing wicked about worshiping another God, or Sacred Sex, etc.

You don't have a right to murder people because they choose to worship differently then you.

Doing so makes you evil murderers like ISIL/ISIS.

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[InChrist]

There is nothing wicked about worshiping another God, or Sacred Sex, etc.

You don't have a right to murder people because they choose to worship differently then you.

Doing so makes you evil murderers like ISIL/ISIS.

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I quite agree I don't have the right to murder anyone who worships differently than me. If the Creator says it is wicked to worship false gods though, then I think that is His prerogative.

 

[Ingledsva]

I quite agree I don't have the right to murder anyone who worships differently than me. If the Creator says it is wicked to worship false gods though, then I think that is His prerogative.

They had no proof of any God - just as you don't. That makes it murder.

However, it would also be wrong for a so-called God to do so.

As I said - it is this stuff - that lets me know the God of the Bible - isn't God.

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[McBell]

I'd say that is according to your perspective, but not according to the Bible. According to the Bible humans had lost or turned from knowledge of the ONE Creator to the worship of false gods of their own imagination becoming progressively more and more corrupt and wicked in their behavior. The One Creator of all life does not and cannot commit genocide.

really?
What is it called when "The One Creator" commits genocide?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Who cares what conservatives think? If there is a God who created life to begin with though, I do care what He thinks concerning my life, but that's my perspective. I know a lot of people don't.

I don't. But many of them say that your god said.
I don't really care what your god says, either.

 

[Muffled]

Satan doesn't brainwash people

I believe he deceives people which removes correct thinking and replaces it with incorrect thinking. THat sounds like brainwashing to me.