I believe Satan has brain washed most Christians/people.

[savagewind]

That's exactly the point. You're telling me if I don't do God's Will I don't deserve to be saved. How can I do it if you can't tell me what it is?

If you do not do God's will which is to LEARN you will not learn. I have learned that knowing God is heaven. I like it!

But what if you're wrong and God's Will includes fighting against gay marriage? Then God says you're not doing his will, so he won't save you. Fair?

When does God ever say anything?

This was your statement that I'm referring to:

"God's words show that he is not looking for followers who do so based on a simple fear of his power. He has made it clear that he wants to receive what he gives... love."

A plus for finding that! I do not know how to find that quote. What is in the dots?

Me too...even though you're a bit crazy.

Only a bit? I have to stop slacking off.

 

[Johnlove]

Good but, please see the complicated word you so very easily translate "cannot". According to this study aid it might even mean, "call". http://biblehub.com/greek/4160.htm

People who can’t stop sinning, and who don’t want to obey God, need change the written Word of God. They have come up with many methods of escape. That is people who want to use the written Word of God to make themselves seem to be of God.


That is one of the reasons the Holy Spirit told me to tell people that no matter who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop or anyone they are to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”


(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

 

[savagewind]

People who can’t stop sinning, and who don’t want to obey God, need change the written Word of God. They have come up with many methods of escape. That is people who want to use the written Word of God to make themselves seem to be of God.


That is one of the reasons the Holy Spirit told me to tell people that no matter who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop or anyone they are to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”


(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

Answer the question please. Is a mistake considered sin?
1 John 3:6 might mean everyone in Christ REFUSES sin.
And 1 John 3:9 might mean that everyone is Christ need not consider sin.

I trust I am right.

 

[Demonslayer]

“No one who has been begotten by God sins

That's weird, I thought all men are sinners and that's why we need redemption through Jesus Christ.

Now you're saying...what are you saying?

 

[Johnlove]

Answer the question please. Is a mistake considered sin?
1 John 3:6 might mean everyone in Christ REFUSES sin.
And 1 John 3:9 might mean that everyone is Christ need not consider sin.

I trust I am right.

A sin is any wrong doing. Not all sins leads to death. A deliberate wrongdoing that is committed by one who has been given the knowledge of the truth is not forgivable.

Read scripture anyway you want, but the only way one will ever come to the truth is if he or she allows Jesus/Holy Spirit to teach them.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us. Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually. A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men. As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’ But we are those who have the mind of Christ.”

I know from God, and from experiencing forty years of being sin free that the power of God is much greater than Satan/sin.

 

[savagewind]

A sin is any wrong doing. Not all sins leads to death. A deliberate wrongdoing that is committed by one who has been given the knowledge of the truth is not forgivable.

Read scripture anyway you want, but the only way one will ever come to the truth is if he or she allows Jesus/Holy Spirit to teach them.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us. Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually. A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men. As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’ But we are those who have the mind of Christ.”

I know from God, and from experiencing forty years of being sin free that the power of God is much greater than Satan/sin.

I hear you say you do nothing wrong. Or are you saying that only deliberate wrongdoing is sin? And that a person for God does not deliberately sin. I agree with you.

 

[savagewind]

@Johnlove
Answer this:

A person is begging for some money. It might be for something necessary and the person is a child of God or it might be for cigarettes and the person is a child of the devil. If I do not give the first person aid I am sinning according to me If I do give the second person aid I am sinning according to me. Am I right that I think it is sinning and if I am, how do I KNOW?

 

[McBell]

That's weird, I thought all men are sinners and that's why we need redemption through Jesus Christ.

Now you're saying...what are you saying?

He is contradicting himself....
Though I bet he cannot see it.

 

[Demonslayer]

He is contradicting himself....
Though I bet he cannot see it.

Seemed that way, I figured I'd give him a chance to explain.

 

[Demonslayer]

When does God ever say anything?

He was a real Chatty Cathy in the Old Testament. He seems to have lost his voice.

A plus for finding that! I do not know how to find that quote. What is in the dots?

Ah ha, have to apologize...you didn't write this post, it's someone else. Post #664 on the last page. So I've been working with the idea that this was your post when it wasn't. My bad!

Only a bit? I have to stop slacking off.

Yeah can't you start speaking in tongues or something?

 

[savagewind]

He was a real Chatty Cathy in the Old Testament. He seems to have lost his voice.

Funny. I have a difference of opinion than most people. I think that when humans said "Jehovah says" it meant something other than God speaking. Jehovah is the only one who is from forever and so when they said that YHVH says something it meant that the then the now and the later is coming together. Is that crazier than "a bit"?

Ah ha, have to apologize...you didn't write this post, it's someone else. Post #664 on the last page. So I've been working with the idea that this was your post when it wasn't. My bad!

Jolly haha

Yeah can't you start speaking in tongues or something?

I have heard that I can. Haha

 

[Johnlove]

That's weird, I thought all men are sinners and that's why we need redemption through Jesus Christ.

Now you're saying...what are you saying?

Yes all men have sinned. That is why Jesus came. Jesus needed to come to make it possible for man to be able to defeat Satan/sin.


After Jesus gives man his Holy Spirit he is then given the grace, and knowledge to come to know God, and never sin again. Man needs to give his consent to always obey God.


(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”


(1 John 3:8) “Whoever lives sinfully belongs to the devil, since thedevilhas been a sinner from the beginning. This was the purpose of the appearing of the Son of God, to undo the work of the devil.”


(Romans 8:12-13) “So then, my brothers, there is no necessity for us to obey our unspiritual selves or to live unspiritual lives. If you do live in that way, you are doomed to die; but if by the Spirit you put an end to the misdeeds of the body you will live.”


(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.

 

[Johnlove]

@Johnlove
Answer this:

A person is begging for some money. It might be for something necessary and the person is a child of God or it might be for cigarettes and the person is a child of the devil. If I do not give the first person aid I am sinning according to me If I do give the second person aid I am sinning according to me. Am I right that I think it is sinning and if I am, how do I KNOW?

If one is being led by God all he or she needs to do is ask what they should do in every situation. Jesus once told me to give him the first few moments of every situation.


A Spiritual Christian is always being led by God/Holy Spirit.


(Romans 8:12-13) “So then, my brothers, there is no necessity for us to obey our unspiritual selves or to live unspiritual lives. If you do live in that way, you are doomed to die; but if by the Spirit you put an end to the misdeeds of the body you will live.”


(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.

 

[savagewind]

If one is being led by God all he or she needs to do is ask what they should do in every situation. Jesus once told me to give him the first few moments of every situation.


A Spiritual Christian is always being led by God/Holy Spirit.


(Romans 8:12-13) “So then, my brothers, there is no necessity for us to obey our unspiritual selves or to live unspiritual lives. If you do live in that way, you are doomed to die; but if by the Spirit you put an end to the misdeeds of the body you will live.”


(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.

Good answer.

 

[Demonslayer]

Yes all men have sinned.

Then I'm confused by your statement that "No one who has been begotten by God sins." What did you mean by that? Either all men have sinned, or there are some men begotten by God who don't sin. Which is it?

 

[Demonslayer]

If one is being led by God all he or she needs to do is ask what they should do in every situation

So when all the Christian slave owners asked God "should I be involved in human slavery?"...what, God answered Yes?

 

[savagewind]

Then I'm confused by your statement that "No one who has been begotten by God sins." What did you mean by that? Either all men have sinned, or there are some men begotten by God who don't sin. Which is it?

I am sure he means that they do not sin any longer. After they are begotten they do not sin.

 

[savagewind]

So when all the Christian slave owners asked God "should I be involved in human slavery?"...what, God answered Yes?

He isn't talking about people professing belief in God. He is talking about the few who are born again by God.

 

[Demonslayer]

Funny. I have a difference of opinion than most people. I think that when humans said "Jehovah says" it meant something other than God speaking

Well we have the same opinion, obviously I don't believe the stories of God speaking. Not from the clouds, not from a burning bush, etc.

Jehovah is the only one who is from forever and so when they said that YHVH says something it meant that the then the now and the later is coming together

I don't like Now and Later, they stick in my teeth.

 

[Johnlove]

I hear you say you do nothing wrong. Or are you saying that only deliberate wrongdoing is sin? And that a person for God does not deliberately sin. I agree with you.

A Spiritual Christian who has not yet been healed of all his or her hurts/faults will still do wrongdoings that do not lead to death. These sins are done because one does not know they are sins, or that the acts are wrong, but may just be done by habit.

Sinful acts that are done without one’s thoughtful consent are sin, but not sins that lead to death. The Holy Spirit will continue to bring those acts to one’s attention, and give grace, and understanding on how to overcome those acts.


A mature Spiritual Christian will not commit any wrong doings.

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “knowledge of the If, after we have been given truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.-----“

(1John 5:16) “Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly.”


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