I believe Satan has brain washed most Christians/people.

[skl]

OK it is always claimed that evil exists and I have read an apologetics interpretation saying "good was created by God but evil was not created by God. Because God is omnipotent he allows evil to exist because it does not conflict with his good." Obviously this statement makes absolutely no sense at all and evil or "bad" is the natural opposite to good, therefore it appears to me that good old ancient superstitious minded man had to make up a story to cover this bad and evil and of course it has spiralled out of control further into fantasy land and is used to scare the pants off unbelievers with Satan and hell. Logic tells us it is that simple no matter what each religion claims.

 

[Johnlove]

OK it is always claimed that evil exists and I have read an apologetics interpretation saying "good was created by God but evil was not created by God. Because God is omnipotent he allows evil to exist because it does not conflict with his good." Obviously this statement makes absolutely no sense at all and evil or "bad" is the natural opposite to good, therefore it appears to me that good old ancient superstitious minded man had to make up a story to cover this bad and evil and of course it has spiralled out of control further into fantasy land and is used to scare the pants off unbelievers with Satan and hell. Logic tells us it is that simple no matter what each religion claims.

A human is a created physical being, and the only logic a human can understand is physical. God is spiritual, and human logic can in no way understand the spiritual. The spiritual is much more real than the physical.

 

[McBell]

A human is a created physical being, and the only logic a human can understand is physical. God is spiritual, and human logic can in no way understand the spiritual. The spiritual is much more real than the physical.

How can something that cannot be demonstrated at all outside the bold empty claims of humans be not only more real than the physical, but "much more real" than the physical?
Sounds like a big bunch of wishful thinking.

 

[outhouse]

A human is a created physical being,

Humans factually evolved. None have ever bene created less calling what your parents do to create you.

God is spiritual,

Many claim mythological, not spiritual.

 

[outhouse]

good was created by God but evil was not created by God

Good and bad existed long before the mythology that created your god.

4000 years ago your god did not exist, no one knew the concept

Just a bunch of other gods you would admit man created.

 

[Johnlove]

How can something that cannot be demonstrated at all outside the bold empty claims of humans be not only more real than the physical, but "much more real" than the physical?
Sounds like a big bunch of wishful thinking.

I know that God is real, because I have seen him. He has also shown me some of his powers, which defy human physics. God will soon show the world just how real he is, and he has told me not to feel sorry for those who are suffering his wrath.

 

[McBell]

I know that God is real, because I have seen him. He has also shown me some of his powers, which defy human physics. God will soon show the world just how real he is, and he has told me not to feel sorry for those who are suffering his wrath.

you did not address the point of the post you replied to.
Why is that?

 

[Johnlove]

you did not address the point of the post you replied to.
Why is that?

Because there is no way to explain anything spiritual with those who are not.

 

[McBell]

Because there is no way to explain anything spiritual with those who are not.

Another big steaming pile of bull **** used in place of actually addressing the point in hand...

Does your god condone this dishonesty?

 

[outhouse]

I know that God is real, because I have seen him.

I have seen Santa

He has also shown me some of his powers

Santa showed me his powers, he made my kid smile.

The spiritual is much more real than the physical.

God will soon show the world just how real he is, and he has told me not to feel sorry for those who are suffering his wrath.

Are you expecting two lumps of coal for xmas ?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

God will soon show the world just how real he is, and he has told me not to feel sorry for those who are suffering his wrath.

If this merciful God who "so loved the world" is such an entity, then how/why would he be so cold and calloused towards those he inflicts this apparently great wrath upon? When we doubt, when we don't believe, if he really loves and cares for us, why does he not make it apparent, in a way that is acceptable to the person he is revealing himself to, that he exists?
And to add another question to it, when I was a practicing neo-Pagan, and into Egyptian and pre-Christian Europe ways and deities, I saw Anubis. So what religion/god is real? You have your vision, I have mine. By what possible standards can we even begin to evaluate such a claim?

 

[viole]

Because there is no way to explain anything spiritual with those who are not.

That reminds me of the paranormal. It works only if you buy it. For some reason.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Johnlove]

If this merciful God who "so loved the world" is such an entity, then how/why would he be so cold and calloused towards those he inflicts this apparently great wrath upon? When we doubt, when we don't believe, if he really loves and cares for us, why does he not make it apparent, in a way that is acceptable to the person he is revealing himself to, that he exists?
And to add another question to it, when I was a practicing neo-Pagan, and into Egyptian and pre-Christian Europe ways and deities, I saw Anubis. So what religion/god is real? You have your vision, I have mine. By what possible standards can we even begin to evaluate such a claim?

If one is taught to love, not kill, live God’s Will, and is given the grace to do so, then he or she is following God.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If one is taught to love, not kill, live God’s Will, and is given the grace to do so, then he or she is following God.

But what god? Which one? Why is it that every believer can say that their own specific god(s) are real?

 

[Johnlove]

But what god? Which one? Why is it that every believer can say that their own specific god(s) are real?

I don’t know many who have seen God heal someone who was born blind. I know of no one who has seen anyone who was dead, and was brought back to life, because he was prayed for in the name of Jesus Christ. I don’t know of anyone who can say he or she had their car picked up, and stopped so as not to have a collision that would have killed him.


I could go on and on about the healings, miracles, and other supernatural events, but you can’t be convinced by my witness. I know God, and have seen God, but know that my words mean nothing to those who can’t understand and know.


All the people in the world are at this time experiencing my God Jesus Christ’s wrath, because they refused to obey him.

 

[McBell]

I don’t know many who have seen God heal someone who was born blind. I know of no one who has seen anyone who was dead, and was brought back to life, because he was prayed for in the name of Jesus Christ. I don’t know of anyone who can say he or she had their car picked up, and stopped so as not to have a collision that would have killed him.


I could go on and on about the healings, miracles, and other supernatural events, but you can’t be convinced by my witness. I know God, and have seen God, but know that my words mean nothing to those who can’t understand and know.


All the people in the world are at this time experiencing my God Jesus Christ’s wrath, because they refused to obey him.

Nice dodge.
Care to address the post you replied to?

 

[Demonslayer]

I don’t know many who have seen God heal someone who was born blind. I know of no one who has seen anyone who was dead, and was brought back to life, because he was prayed for in the name of Jesus Christ. I don’t know of anyone who can say he or she had their car picked up, and stopped so as not to have a collision that would have killed him.


I could go on and on about the healings, miracles, and other supernatural events, but you can’t be convinced by my witness. I know God, and have seen God, but know that my words mean nothing to those who can’t understand and know.

Don't you suppose if this stuff was happening, in the day and age we live in, we would have JUST ONE verifiable example by now? Just one. Just one indisputable recorded miracle. Just one shot of God picking up a car and preventing a collision. Just one guy with his arm blown off in war praying to Jesus and seeing the arm grow back. Just one medically confirmed blind person praying to Jesus and the documented return of their sight.

Just one.

 

[KBC1963]

Don't you suppose if this stuff was happening, in the day and age we live in, we would have JUST ONE verifiable example by now? Just one. Just one indisputable recorded miracle. Just one shot of God picking up a car and preventing a collision. Just one guy with his arm blown off in war praying to Jesus and seeing the arm grow back. Just one medically confirmed blind person praying to Jesus and the documented return of their sight. Just one.

Suppose you had indisputable proof of God.... would you follow his ways because you feared his power or would you follow his ways because he would be a being after your own heart?

 

[Johnlove]

Don't you suppose if this stuff was happening, in the day and age we live in, we would have JUST ONE verifiable example by now? Just one. Just one indisputable recorded miracle. Just one shot of God picking up a car and preventing a collision. Just one guy with his arm blown off in war praying to Jesus and seeing the arm grow back. Just one medically confirmed blind person praying to Jesus and the documented return of their sight.

Just one.

Jesus Christ has shown me his power for over forty years now, and even some of those who saw some of it happen still will not believe. Only God can bring one to know God.


(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us. Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually. A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men. As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’ But we are those who have the mind of Christ.”


If God has not come to you then all you can do is pray.

 

[Demonslayer]

Suppose you had indisputable proof of God.... would you follow his ways because you feared his power or would you follow his ways because he would be a being after your own heart?

Depends on the God I guess. If I had indisputable proof of Poseidon I would stop deep-sea fishing and peeing in the ocean. If I had indisputable proof of Yahweh I'd worship his son Jesus and say certain words every day praising him so I wouldn't be sent to eternal torturous damnation.

The truth is I very likely "follow the ways" of most people's God's on most topics already, incidentally, just because most of "God's ways" are merely restatements of good behaviors that most people agree are good. One of "God's ways" is not to steal, or kill. I don't do those things regardless of God.