I believe Satan has brain washed most Christians/people.

[Demonslayer]

Jesus Christ has shown me his power for over forty years now, and even some of those who saw some of it happen still will not believe

So just throw one indisputable example up on YouTube. It can't just be someone sitting in a wheel chair claiming to be unable to walk, and then someone slaps them on the forehead and they stand up. No one would believe that, it could very easily be a hoax.

But a real example would be indisputable. After 40 years of seeing all this stuff, you're telling me not ONCE was the miracle indisputable?

Have you ever seen a severed limb grow back after praying to Jesus for the return of the limb?

 

[Johnlove]

So just throw one indisputable example up on YouTube. It can't just be someone sitting in a wheel chair claiming to be unable to walk, and then someone slaps them on the forehead and they stand up. No one would believe that, it could very easily be a hoax.

But a real example would be indisputable. After 40 years of seeing all this stuff, you're telling me not ONCE was the miracle indisputable?

Have you ever seen a severed limb grow back after praying to Jesus for the return of the limb?

No there was no need to pray for anything to grow back, because no one that I prayed for needed a new finger. By the way I am prophet not an evangelist. I am not out to convert, or to convince. Jesus by the way said it is just too late for most of the world.

 

[Demonslayer]

No there was no need to pray for anything to grow back, because no one that I prayed for needed a new finger.

What a lucky break. Can you find someone with a missing limb and pray for it to come back? No.

But I'll bet you can do that with tumors.

By the way I am prophet

Yeah? Can you tell the future? What are you prophisizing?

 

[KBC1963]

Depends on the God I guess. If I had indisputable proof of Poseidon I would stop deep-sea fishing and peeing in the ocean. If I had indisputable proof of Yahweh I'd worship his son Jesus and say certain words every day praising him so I wouldn't be sent to eternal torturous damnation. The truth is I very likely "follow the ways" of most people's God's on most topics already, incidentally, just because most of "God's ways" are merely restatements of good behaviors that most people agree are good. One of "God's ways" is not to steal, or kill. I don't do those things regardless of God.

Therefore you would obey out of fear for anything you feel is not considered a common good type law.
You assert that you would "say certain words every day praising him so I wouldn't be sent to eternal torturous damnation" and this is a form of following the law to the letter which the Pharisees and Sadducees that Christ spoke about were doing. They were white on the outside and black on the inside because they were capable of making a convincing outward show but were incapable of changing their core.
God's words show that he is not looking for followers who do so based on a simple fear of his power. He has made it clear that he wants to receive what he gives... love.
Such commands as loving him with all your heart and soul and loving your neighbor by such things as not looking on their woman with lust or not hating them etc. are things that occur from within and such inward compulsions are not observable by anyone other than God or yourself so, how would you be able to change those things that you don't feel are a naturally occurring living type of law? If you knew God was real how could you convince him that you do what you do out of love for him?
What I am saying in a short few words here is that even if intelligent beings such as yourself had indisputable proof of God they would still not be able to change their core beliefs and desires to mirror God's. The best you could do is attempt to make it appear that you are different than your normal state which would ultimately fail because God asserts that he can see the desires of the heart.
So ultimately having proof would not change a thing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don’t know many who have seen God heal someone who was born blind. I know of no one who has seen anyone who was dead, and was brought back to life, because he was prayed for in the name of Jesus Christ.

You've not seen these either.

I don’t know of anyone who can say he or she had their car picked up, and stopped so as not to have a collision that would have killed him.

It's called "hysterical strength." It comes from a cocktail of neurochemicals. Or if you train hard and long enough, through strength.

I know God, and have seen God,

So have I. But it was a different god. So how do we know which one is real? Any religious person can make the same claims you do, and very frequently they do. For thousands of years tribal shamans have been tending to and healing the sick with their myriad of gods.

All the people in the world are at this time experiencing my God Jesus Christ’s wrath

I am not.

because they refused to obey him.

Why should I?

 

[skl]

No there was no need to pray for anything to grow back, because no one that I prayed for needed a new finger. By the way I am prophet not an evangelist. I am not out to convert, or to convince. Jesus by the way said it is just too late for most of the world.

A prophet you say, well you are a few thousand years to late. After reading your posts I would say you are just some ordinary bible basher. Just in case you did not know, a finger or any limb will never grow back in a million years no matter how hard you pray. And by the way Jesus never said anything of the sort but he did tell me that self proclaimed prophets and religious people will all be going to hell because he has decided to become an atheist.

 

[Demonslayer]

God's words show that he is not looking for followers who do so based on a simple fear of his power. He has made it clear that he wants to receive what he gives... love.

How is that clear when the punishment for not loving him is eternal torturous damnation? Are you kidding me? That's like expecting a women to truly love me, when she knows I'll beat the tar out of her if she steps out of line.

If God wants real love it has to be unconditional. Handing down an eternity of torture for breaking any of the first 4 commandments prevents unconditional love and makes it all about fear of his power. "I'll burn you if you don't love me" is going to cause fear, and once you fear someone you can't truly love them.

 

[savagewind]

How is that clear when the punishment for not loving him is eternal torturous damnation? Are you kidding me? That's like expecting a women to truly love me, when she knows I'll beat the tar out of her if she steps out of line.

If God wants real love it has to be unconditional. Handing down an eternity of torture for breaking any of the first 4 commandments prevents unconditional love and makes it all about fear of his power. "I'll burn you if you don't love me" is going to cause fear, and once you fear someone you can't truly love them.

The way you say that it appears you think that it might be true.
The only religion that I know which says God will destroy people not loving God is the JWs. I think that other religions tend to teach that a person won't be saved by God for not loving God. Isn't there a difference?

 

[Johnlove]

How is that clear when the punishment for not loving him is eternal torturous damnation? Are you kidding me? That's like expecting a women to truly love me, when she knows I'll beat the tar out of her if she steps out of line.

If God wants real love it has to be unconditional. Handing down an eternity of torture for breaking any of the first 4 commandments prevents unconditional love and makes it all about fear of his power. "I'll burn you if you don't love me" is going to cause fear, and once you fear someone you can't truly love them.

God made the angles, and Satan the greatest of all the angels, decided that he wanted to be god. Satan and all the angels that followed him was no longer able to live with God in the kingdom of God.

God made man, but did not allow man into heaven his kingdom. God was going to let man prove to him or herself that they loved him before allowing this creation to share his kingdom.

To love God one has to do his will.

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

 

[Demonslayer]

The way you say that it appears you think that it might be true.

In discussions about God it's often necessary to suspend disbelief and temporarily accept the idea of God, in order to foster discussion. Otherwise if I'm just going to say "there is no God" I can't really get into conversations about people's ideas of God. It's like if you were talking about Star Wars and why Darth Vader eventually turned back to the good side of the force...you know there is not really a Darth Vader, but you pretend there is so you can discuss the topic.

The only religion that I know which says God will destroy people not loving God is the JWs. I think that other religions tend to teach that a person won't be saved by God for not loving God. Isn't there a difference?

No, I don't think there is a difference. "Won't be saved" means I'm not going to heaven right? Even if that doesn't mean fiery torment, it at least means oblivion over eternal paradise. That's a threat and a punishment. You can't truly love someone who holds a constant threat over you.

I'm I wrong here? If you fall off a boat and I refuse to save you, isn't that pretty much the same as throwing you off the boat?

 

[Demonslayer]

God made the angles, and Satan the greatest of all the angels, decided that he wanted to be god. Satan and all the angels that followed him was no longer able to live with God in the kingdom of God.

God made man, but did not allow man into heaven his kingdom. God was going to let man prove to him or herself that they loved him before allowing this creation to share his kingdom.

 

[savagewind]

In discussions about God it's often necessary to suspend disbelief and temporarily accept the idea of God, in order to foster discussion. Otherwise if I'm just going to say "there is no God" I can't really get into conversations about people's ideas of God. It's like if you were talking about Star Wars and why Darth Vader eventually turned back to the good side of the force...you know there is not really a Darth Vader, but you pretend there is so you can discuss the topic.

People's ideas of God and saying there might be a god who will torture you for not loving him are not the same imo. Is there anyone ever who truly believes what you say we do?

No, I don't think there is a difference. "Won't be saved" means I'm not going to heaven right?

Heaven is the condition of being on God's side for God's will to do. If you are not for doing God's will why not tell me why God should save you?

Even if that doesn't mean fiery torment, it at least means oblivion over eternal paradise. That's a threat and a punishment. You can't truly love someone who holds a constant threat over you.

But it is a few of mankind who interpret God's words as threatening. And I agree with you about a person can't really love a person who threatens them into love.

I'm I wrong here? If you fall off a boat and I refuse to save you, isn't that pretty much the same as throwing you off the boat?

God has sent to Earth the way to salvation. Will you take that way? No? Then I think it is YOU throwing yourself off the boat and never thinking to learn how to swim. We believers learn how to swim because we listen and obey. You do not listen and obey. When the boat capsizes some people think that it is God's job to make them swim. But seeing that you do not believe in God you do not believe that. Not believing that is good imo.

 

[McBell]

God made the angles, and Satan the greatest of all the angels, decided that he wanted to be god. Satan and all the angels that followed him was no longer able to live with God in the kingdom of God.

God made man, but did not allow man into heaven his kingdom. God was going to let man prove to him or herself that they loved him before allowing this creation to share his kingdom.

To love God one has to do his will.

(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

Rather difficult to take you seriously when you cannot even get the basics right....

 

[Demonslayer]

Heaven is the condition of being on God's side for God's will to do. If you are not for doing God's will why not tell me why God should save you?

I thought you said God just wanted love. Now you're saying he's only on my side if I do His Will. So God won't love me if I don't do His Will...how is that unconditional?

And what is His Will anyway? Weren't they doing God's Will during the crusades? Aren't modern Christians doing God's Will by fighting against gay marriage? Does that mean if I don't fight against gay marriage, I'm not doing God's Will, and thus he won't save me?

God has sent to Earth the way to salvation. Will you take that way? No?

LOL. All God wants is love, but it's His Way or the Highway to Hell? How is that not a threat.

I think, in light of what you're saying here you need to retract your former statement that all God wants is love. It seems to me God wants strict obedience, or else.

You're moving the goalposts.
All of this flies in the face of your claim that all God wants is for us to love him. True love is unconditional. Everything you're saying is that God has all these conditions...we must do this, we must do that.

 

[Demonslayer]

You said this.

God's words show that he is not looking for followers who do so based on a simple fear of his power. He has made it clear that he wants to receive what he gives... love.

And then this.

God has sent to Earth the way to salvation. Will you take that way? No? Then I think it is YOU throwing yourself off the boat and never thinking to learn how to swim. We believers learn how to swim because we listen and obey. You do not listen and obey.

Does God want followers based on fear of power or not? You say no, but then you say if I "don't listen and obey" he'll use his power to either send me to eternal torture or lock me out of heaven.

LISTEN AND OBEY OR ELSE...but love me. You don't see a contradiction there? Do you think true love can be given to someone who will punish you if you don't obey?

 

[savagewind]

I thought you said God just wanted love.

When did I ever say that? I think I never said that.

Now you're saying he's only on my side if I do His Will.

God is on your side. It is written God's will is that all be saved and to know what is true. God will not make you know what it true imho.

So God won't love me if I don't do His Will...how is that unconditional?

It isn't, but you are making **** up.

And what is His Will anyway?

I think that apart from the law God's will is different for everyone.

Weren't they doing God's Will during the crusades?

Maybe some people thought they were. How am I suppose to know?

Aren't modern Christians doing God's Will by fighting against gay marriage?

hahah. Of course not! It is written they are not part of man's world.

Does that mean if I don't fight against gay marriage, I'm not doing God's Will, and thus he won't save me?

I'm not fighting against it and I feel that I am saved most of the time.

LOL. All God wants is love, but it's His Way or the Highway to Hell? How is that not a threat.

Who is saying all God wants is love? I think if God wants anything it is to be a good student. Of lies? Not of lies.

I think, in light of what you're saying here you need to retract your former statement that all God wants is love. It seems to me God wants strict obedience, or else.

You're moving the goalposts.

I do not know that I said that. I am certain I do not know what God wants (other than to be true) so I do not know why I would say what you are saying I said.

All of this flies in the face of your claim that all God wants is for us to love him. True love is unconditional. Everything you're saying is that God has all these conditions...we must do this, we must do that.

I like you talking to me. Thank you.

 

[savagewind]

You said this.



And then this.



Does God want followers based on fear of power or not? You say no, but then you say if I "don't listen and obey" he'll use his power to either send me to eternal torture or lock me out of heaven.

LISTEN AND OBEY OR ELSE...but love me. You don't see a contradiction there? Do you think true love can be given to someone who will punish you if you don't obey?

Or else? No! The Bible never says, "or else". If you do not go to your lessons you will not learn. OK?

 

[Johnlove]

You said this.



And then this.



Does God want followers based on fear of power or not? You say no, but then you say if I "don't listen and obey" he'll use his power to either send me to eternal torture or lock me out of heaven.

LISTEN AND OBEY OR ELSE...but love me. You don't see a contradiction there? Do you think true love can be given to someone who will punish you if you don't obey?

God gives man the opportunity to become his children. Children of God so his children can live in his kingdom forever.

Then scripture explains to us just how to know those who are God’s Children.


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”

 

[savagewind]

God gives man the opportunity to become his children. Children of God so his children can live in his kingdom forever.

Then scripture explains to us just how to know those who are God’s Children.


(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s.”

Good but, please see the complicated word you so very easily translate "cannot". According to this study aid it might even mean, "call". http://biblehub.com/greek/4160.htm

to make or do

Apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary; to make or do (in a very wide application, more or less direct) -- abide, + agree, appoint, X avenge, + band together, be, bear, + bewray, bring (forth), cast out, cause, commit, + content, continue, deal, + without any delay, (would) do(-ing), execute, exercise, fulfil, gain, give, have, hold, X journeying, keep, + lay wait, + lighten the ship, make, X mean, + none of these things move me, observe, ordain, perform, provide, + have purged, purpose, put, + raising up, X secure, shew, X shoot out, spend, take, tarry, + transgress the law, work, yield. Compare prasso.

 

[Demonslayer]

Maybe some people thought they were. How am I suppose to know?

That's exactly the point. You're telling me if I don't do God's Will I don't deserve to be saved. How can I do it if you can't tell me what it is?

I'm not fighting against it and I feel that I am saved most of the time.

But what if you're wrong and God's Will includes fighting against gay marriage? Then God says you're not doing his will, so he won't save you. Fair?

Who is saying all God wants is love?

This was your statement that I'm referring to:

"God's words show that he is not looking for followers who do so based on a simple fear of his power. He has made it clear that he wants to receive what he gives... love."

I like you talking to me. Thank you.

Me too...even though you're a bit crazy.