I believe the Bible should be accepted as true because . . . .

[Skwim]

Exactly why should anyone accept the Bible as being true? Looked at coldly it's an ancient book written over a period of 1,600 of years, and then assembled in various manners. Sometimes this was done according to a set of rules for inclusion, sometimes by the decree of church authorities, and sometimes by vote. Of course, it's been contended that all of these actions were guided by the god mentioned in these "books," which is fine, but hardly carries any weight with the non-believer who still has to be convinced that such a being actually exists.

However, I doubt these elements entered your mind when you decided the Bible was true, so how did this come about? Was it that the message of Christian salvation was so appealing that its source, the Bible, just had to be true? Or was it the appeal of the Bible's writings themselves that convinced you of its truth?

In any case, what is your argument to the non-believer that the Bible should be accepted as true?


The Bible, dear friend, should be accepted as is true because ___________fill in the blank________________ .

 

[nazz]

:::making popcorn:::

 

[Estro Felino]

I can tell you my personal vision on the Bible as a Christian.
which is personal; I don't speak for all Christians.

well...first of all, I am a Christian because I experienced God and I've understood who Jesus, Mary are. So I already know what Christianity is, and I don't need any Bible to know it.

But of course, I pick from the Bible only the passages that confirm my vision of God. And I reject the remaining passages which contradict it.

 

[nazz]

I can tell you my personal vision on the Bible as a Christian.
which is personal; I don't speak for all Christians.

well...first of all, I am a Christian because I experienced God and I've understood who Jesus, Mary are. So I already know what Christianity is, and I don't need any Bible to know it.

But of course, I pick from the Bible only the passages that confirm my vision of God. And I reject the remaining passages which contradict it.

Everyone does this whether they admit it or not

 

[sincerly]

Exactly why should anyone accept the Bible as being true? Looked at coldly it's an ancient book written over a period of 1,600 of years, and then assembled in various manners. Sometimes this was done according to a set of rules for inclusion, sometimes by the decree of church authorities, and sometimes by vote. Of course, it's been contended that all of these actions were guided by the god mentioned in these "books," which is fine, but hardly carries any weight with the non-believer who still has to be convinced that such a being actually exists.

However, I doubt these elements entered your mind when you decided the Bible was true, so how did this come about? Was it that the message of Christian salvation was so appealing that its source, the Bible, just had to be true? Or was it the appeal of the Bible's writings themselves that convinced you of its truth?

In any case, what is your argument to the non-believer that the Bible should be accepted as true?

The Bible, dear friend, should be accepted as is true because.
Skwim, as your "signature" stated there is not anything that will change your "right" to wrong. However, let's look at your consensus.

Surprisingly, those sixty-six writers lived in different ages of man's history. Few were contemporary(s), however, they all agreed to the same principles over that 1600 year span.
Yes, the compilation of those writings did come together from scrolls to a book form by various means, but with those writings being the "Inspired messages" by the Holy Spirit, He watched over the bringing together into a book the messages for today's and future readers.
Contrary messages were NOT included.
A non-believer can NOT be convinced against one's will.

Like your avatar, I had to first "decide" what is true and what is fictional.
It takes more faith to believe mankind's theories/accounting's for all that is seen than that a designer GOD Spoke and it was.
The Scriptural history of the events of Creation put's a designer GOD as the Source for all things. and the reason for the Sin and the need for a Redeemer.

So! Believe as you will. There are consequences included in the Biblical Writings. Which will be determined upon one's "decision".

 

[Skwim]

The Bible, dear friend, should be accepted as is true because.
Skwim, as your "signature" stated there is not anything that will change your "right" to wrong.

So, I should accept the Bible is true because my "signature" stated there is not anything that will change my "'right' to wrong"? Boy, gotta say, that's a real head scratcher.

Surprisingly, those sixty-six writers lived in different ages of man's history. Few were contemporary(s), however, they all agreed to the same principles over that 1600 year span. Yes, the compilation of those writings did come together from scrolls to a book form by various means, but with those writings being the "Inspired messages" by the Holy Spirit, He watched over the bringing together into a book the messages for today's and future readers. Contrary messages were NOT included.

Well, according to a lot of Christians some of the messages he signed off on in the OT are no longer valid, and, in fact, ARE contrary to what he now wants. Yet these contrary messages are still part of the Bible.

A non-believer can NOT be convinced against one's will.

Can anyone be convinced against their will? I think not, so I fail to see the significance of your remark.

Like your avatar, I had to first "decide" what is true and what is fictional.

Err . . . . . I don't believe my avatar decided anything.

It takes more faith to believe mankind's theories/accounting's for all that is seen than that a designer GOD Spoke and it was.

First of all, faith plays very little part, if any, in believing the conclusions of science, whether it be a finding, a theory, or a hypothesis. So, if faith does play a part in your acceptance of the Genesis account of creation, it's one heck of a lot more.

The Scriptural history of the events of Creation put's a designer GOD as the Source for all things. and the reason for the Sin and the need for a Redeemer.

Pretty irrelevant don't you think, or are you thinking this is a good reason a non-believer should accept the Bible is true?

 

[Thana]

hardly carries any weight with the non-believer who still has to be convinced that such a being actually exists.

Sorry but, Why do you have to be convinced?
I have no need to convince you of anything.

The Bible, dear friend, should be accepted as is true because ___________fill in the blank________________ .

The Bible, Dear friend, Should be accepted as true only if you believe it is true.
Otherwise you should probably do something else, Maybe go fishing or to the movies.

As to why I've accepted it, Simple. I've experienced God, And I felt His words move, inspire and gladden me. Reading Proverbs and Ecclesiastes changed me forever.
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[nazz]

Surprisingly, those sixty-six writers lived in different ages of man's history. Few were contemporary(s), however, they all agreed to the same principles over that 1600 year span.

No, they didn't. And there were probably more than 66.

Yes, the compilation of those writings did come together from scrolls to a book form by various means, but with those writings being the "Inspired messages" by the Holy Spirit, He watched over the bringing together into a book the messages for today's and future readers.

Which canon would that be?

Contrary messages were NOT included.

Au contraire, they are all over the bible

 

[Skwim]

Sorry but, Why do you have to be convinced?

My mistake, in poorly phrasing my post. I have no need to be convinced of anything.

EDITED TO NOTE: I just realized that the "I" in my OP title is not defined, and can easily be taken as myself, Skwim" or the respondent, you. While it doesn't make much difference as far as your answer goes, my intent was to have the "I" stand for you.

The Bible, Dear friend, Should be accepted as true only if you believe it is true.
Otherwise you should probably do something else, Maybe go fishing or to the movies.

So, you believe the Bible should be accepted as true because a person believes it's true. Kind of like saying you should like lutefisk, jellied eels, and haggis because they appeal to you. See the tautology here? "I should accept the Bible as true because I accept the Bible as true."

 

[Thana]

So, you believe the Bible should be accepted as true because a person believes it's true. Kind of like saying you should like lutefisk, jellied eels, and haggis because they appeal to you. See the tautology here? "I should accept the Bible as true because I accept the Bible as true."

That was the point.
There is no need of anything, You just either accept it or you don't. If you don't, I suggest moving on to something else.

 

[InChrist]

I believe anyone who gives any serious consideration to the matter would accept the Bible as true because it is God's enduring word of truth to humanity.

The Anvil of God's Word

“Last eve I paused beside the blacksmith’s door,
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
Then looking in, I saw upon the floor,
Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.

“‘How many anvils have you had,’ said I,
‘To wear and batter all these hammers so?’
‘Just one,’ said he, and then with twinkling eye,
‘The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.’

“And so, I thought, the Anvil of God’s Word
For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The Anvil is unharmed, the hammers gone.”

—Attributed to John Clifford

But the word of the Lord endures for ever... 1 Peter 1:25

 

[Skwim]

That was the point.
There is no need of anything, You just either accept it or you don't. If you don't, I suggest moving on to something else.

Hey, if you don't feel moved to tell anyone then so be it.

No need to even knock on the door here.

 

[Skwim]

I believe anyone who gives any serious consideration to the matter would accept the Bible as true because it is God's enduring word of truth to humanity.

Personally, I have and I don't. So, so much for your belief.

 

[Thana]

Hey, if you don't feel moved to tell anyone then so be it.

No need to even knock on the door here.

It's not that it's just, there would be no point.

"Both read the Bible day and night, but thou read black where I read white." - William Black

How am I supposed to explain the concept of white to someone who's only capable of seeing black? That's kinda how it is.

 

[Sapiens]

The Bible, dear friend, should be accepted as is true because ___________fill in the blank________________ .

I'm an existentialist and that's the most absurd thing that I might do.

 

[sincerly]

InChrist said: ↑
I believe anyone who gives any serious consideration to the matter would accept the Bible as true because it is God's enduring word of truth to humanity.

Personally, I have and I don't. So, so much for your belief.

Skwim, you haven't debunked inChrist's belief with your own belief of doubting the Scriptures. It isn't a head scratcher. Before one even decides to truly consider the validity of the Scriptures, a heart change has to occur.

Err . . . . . I don't believe my avatar decided anything.

Correct! that is because

Like your avatar, I had to first "decide" what is true and what is fictional

. "Popeye" is "fictional". The GOD of the Scriptures is the Creator of all things and not a big-bang of nothing and then spontaneous life from inorganic matter made nothing.(That is the fictional.)

Can anyone be convinced against their will? I think not, so I fail to see the significance of your remark.

Your wording was convincing the "non-believer". One doesn't have to convince the Believer.

First of all, faith plays very little part, if any, in believing the conclusions of science, whether it be a finding, a theory, or a hypothesis. So, if faith does play a part in your acceptance of the Genesis account of creation, it's one heck of a lot more

.

Skwim, even the scientist admit that there is evidence that they do not have(and cannot obtain) such as the material for the "Big-bang theory" and the source for giving that inorganic material LIFE.Then having simple life morph into the PS.139:14., "I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well"
The "speaking and it stood fast" requires less Faith than mulitiplicity of man-made theories.

The Scriptural history of the events of Creation put's a designer GOD as the Source for all things. and the reason for the Sin and the need for a Redeemer.

Pretty irrelevant don't you think, or are you thinking this is a good reason a non-believer should accept the Bible is true?

Scriptural History is relevant to all of the Biblical account. The non-believer who is not a seeker for truth will not believe--as was established and agreed as correct.

 

[InChrist]

The Bible should be accepted because it is the Owner's manual.

 

[Skwim]

Skwim, you haven't debunked inChrist's belief with your own belief of doubting the Scriptures.

And it wasn't my intention to "debunk" his belief, only to say that it's mistaken.

Before one even decides to truly consider the validity of the Scriptures, a heart change has to occur.

Just where is this rule written? And in any case, I'll decide for myself what basis for validation is appropriate. Not that of someone who has a dog in the fight.

The GOD of the Scriptures is the Creator of all things and not a big-bang of nothing and then spontaneous life from inorganic matter made nothing.(That is the fictional.)

Ouch. You really don't know much about the BB and abiogenesis do you. Even though you're wedded to the Bible's mythology, I do advise you to bone up a bit on the opposition before speaking about it, lest you keep looking like a fool.

Your wording was convincing the "non-believer". One doesn't have to convince the Believer.

Hmmm. reading comprehension is NOT your strong suit is it.

Okay this is just too much to take. Congratulations; you've just made my "Ignore List."

 

[Sir Doom]

Funny that no one has said this:

"The Bible, dear friend, should be accepted as is true because it is true ."

Makes me wonder...

 

[Thruve]

Its true simply because it was designed to be flawed =)
God is a GENIUS.