First I could easily tell a person this and it would probably comfort them.
Second, You could never present such a person to me.
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I Can Not Respect A God who Allows Children to Suffer
- Thread starter MSizer
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First I could easily tell a person this and it would probably comfort them.
Second, You could never present such a person to me.
MSizer
MSizer
You have not presented any reason at all, let alone a good one. You've said "perhaps" there's a good reason.
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Where is the double standard?
MSizer
MSizer
Really? I expect it would win you a punch in the face.
I don't see how you could possibly make this claim. Rape and murder happen regularly.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
indeed and unless you can refute that then there still may be a good reason, so im afraid it is rational, just because it isnt as conclusive as you like doesnt make it less so.
you stand on one side of the precipous tell me im saying something that i cant prove all the while you are doing the same on the other side, we are both speculating, we ultimately dont know the answer to this question, so saying im irrational for having no proof really showing how your irrational for having no proof for your view.
MSizer
MSizer
Absolutely not - your logic is completely off base. By your logic, we should believe in unicorns. Your claim is a unicorn - you can't present it, but since I can't prove it doesn't exist, you expect me to consider it rational. When you prove to me that unicorns don't exist, I'll consider your "alleged" good reason for suffering rational.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
your being deictful about my statement Im not saying it is the case im saying it could be the case, and like i said you cant provide evidence for your view either, your trying to get me to believe in said unicorns as well!!! we dont know, that is the simple fact, you cannot justify your statement of God has no good reason to allow suffering, yet you claim it anyway, at least im logically saying it may be the case he has good reason not "definately"
First it is in the presentation. I am explaining it to you in a way so that you understand it. I could easily transform it to way where it provides comfort. Wouldn't you like to know that in the future your daughter would no longer feel the pain she currently feels. Wouldn't you like to know that her life would be better in the future. Wouldn't you like to know she will become more than she currently is. This is the seduction of religion and god and people are easily manipulated by it.
Yes Rape and murder happen regularly but how many could you present to me. How many do you know personally that you would take the time to present them to me. Do you even know where I am. Do you know if I know anyone who was raped or murdered or even been in this circumstance before.
You are making a God like claim to discredit God. You are God in this case knowing the outcome of the question you ask 100% without knowing any of the people involved or the actual result.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
yeah M is definately making a god like claim here, why cant i think up nice responses like that?
MSizer
MSizer
That's a strawman. Of course I don't know exactly where you are. That holds no bearing in the reality of such occurances. And I'm sure there are many a cop who could list a few names if you'd like to know some victims. Or drop into a shelter, you'll surely find someone with some sort of a like story.
No, not at all. I'm simply stating that there isn't a shred of evidence for the claim that an alleged omnimax being has a good reason for allowing us to suffer. That's not a god like claim at all, it's a perfectly rational empirical claim. The opposite is nothing of the sort.
MSizer
MSizer
I'm simply claiming there's no evidence for this alleged possible good reason. That's perfectly rational, and in fact the only rational stance on the matter.
MSizer
MSizer
And by the way, I NEVER purposely try to be deceitful. If I have misunderstood you, I apologize, but I do NOT try to mislead.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
that should merely lead you to conclude that God may or may not have a good reason, and that is not the view you have been showing on this thread, unless i have been reading you completly wrong
MSizer
MSizer
I think we have a stalemate. I disagree with you completely. By your logic, we should also assume that there may or may not be a flying speghetti monster.
The God like Claim is your challenge and disbelief in my being able to talk to the father of a raped girl not the statement that you can not respect a god. You are entitled to any opinion you want. I can debate it but would never claim it to ever be more than an opinion.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
no the flying speggetti monster has nothing to do with this statement he has a whole pile of logical fallacies that have nothing to do with any of the major religions never mind the topic we are discussing right now but your right we are at an impass.
for what its worth i totally get what makes you so angry about it, this world is horribly messed up, but i guess if i stopped arguing I would say that I hold onto the fact that no matter how bad life gets, if we all persivere, and try to make this world a better place, things will get better, I hold onto the fact that there is a good God and that he made good people who will help this world.
but dont quote me on that part cause ill deny it later on.
MSizer
MSizer
I've not made such a claim! I fully admit that you could comfort some that way, but also expect that many would punch you in the face for it.
It's not an opinion, it is a fact that I do not respect the character of the alleged abrahamic god.
This challenge was not stated with the assurance I would fail.
If that is the case I then retract my previous statements.
MSizer
MSizer
Very well, sorry I wasn't more specific.
LyricalDutchess
Chi-Alpha Daughter
There is evil in the world. And we all have freewill to do as we please. I cant say that i understand why God allows a lot things to happen. But ive come to learn that trials makes us stronger. If we had it easy all the time, we would never grow.
MSizer
MSizer
Growing is a biological process, which requires no suffering. If by "grow", you mean that we learn to better prevent or sustain suffering, then it's a circular argument, since there would be no need to grow if not for the suffering.