I Don't Believe in Gravity!

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

The Nazis had some engineering advantages at the start of the war, there technology was hardly any better. And their Christianity was merely different than your Christianity. You probably do have better morals than the Nazis, but that is a very low hurdle to cross. Yet by denying science you in many ways advocate the death of countless people who did not need to die.

By the way, I am late to this discussion. Do you deny that gravity exists?

Seriously? moral relativism? In this day and age?
For any philosophy, there is only a true representation or a false one.

I do not deny science, old bean, where did you suck that from?
I said that science without morality as a foundation
is worse than no science at all. (Nazis were an example).

No I don't deny that gravity exists! But I certainly deny that General Relativity
(or Special) exists. You wanna roll with those punches?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are avoiding the argument:
The war on drugs is perpetuated by the same medical/legal system
that perpetuates vaccines.
It is clearly biased in favor of opiates against opium.
Therefore it is not to be trusted - because their misuse is scientifically the same.

Or are you claiming that opium-causing death is different to opiate-death,
hmmmm????

So I have no reason to trust the claims made by the peer-review ponzi-schemers

No, I am not. And the war on drugs is merely a poor attempt to deal with a serious situation. Vaccines are not related to that. Vaccines work. They have been tested countless times. I can link you studies on them. What makes you think that they do not work?

And what would you use opium for? It is still a "processed drug" even though it has undergone minimal processing. Other opiates are merely attempts to use certain aspects of opium, that is all.
They were over-prescribed at one point, but the problem of opiates existed long before then. It was merely not as severe.

You still don't seem to understand what the term "Ponzi scheme" means. Let me help you, you should probably find another term:

Ponzi scheme - Wikipedia

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Nazi Germany was a majority (67%) Protestant country with a 33% Catholic population lead by a catholic (Hitler) whom had Vatican backing. I'm pretty sure the Vatican has more say over who is one of their own than a guy wirth a vested intererest on denying nazi relion on internet forum.

Fyi.
Nazi forces were blessed by a priest before battle.
Nazi military equipment was marked with the phrase "got mit uns" which translates as "god with us"
Even the nazi emblem is a Christian symbol.

The nazis swastika was first used by the mongols!
So according to your interpretation, there were no atheists in nazi germany?
Gott in hemel!

You seem to make the error of misunderstanding the parable of the good samaritan.
A Christian is defined as a good person, no matter what symbols they hold
or what congregation they belong to. That is why Christ gave us that parable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Seriously? moral relativism? In this day and age?
For any philosophy, there is only a true representation or a false one.

I do not deny science, old bean, where did you suck that from?
I said that science without morality as a foundation
is worse than no science at all. (Nazis were an example).

No I don't deny that gravity exists! But I certainly deny that General Relativity
(or Special) exists. You wanna roll with those punches?

All morality is relative. There is no "objective morality".

And yes, you do deny science. Do you understand the scientific method? Do you understand how new ideas are introduced and why?

And once again, the Nazis merely had a slightly bent Christian morality.

But fine, let's discuss the science that you deny. Do you realize that theories and hypotheses can be tested in the sciences?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The nazis swastika was first used by the mongols!
So according to your interpretation, there were no atheists in nazi germany?
Gott in hemel!

You seem to make the error of misunderstanding the parable of the good samaritan.
A Christian is defined as a good person, no matter what symbols they hold
or what congregation they belong to. That is why Christ gave us that parable.

Once again you are making the mistake of thinking that only you can define "Christianity". I will grant that the Nazis were not your sort of Christian. That does not mean that they were not Christian. Once again, only one of the 40,000 can be right at most, but all of them can be wrong. You could be wrong. The Nazis were almost certainly wrong.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

No, I am not. And the war on drugs is merely a poor attempt to deal with a serious situation. Vaccines are not related to that. Vaccines work. They have been tested countless times. I can link you studies on them. What makes you think that they do not work?

And what would you use opium for? It is still a "processed drug" even though it has undergone minimal processing. Other opiates are merely attempts to use certain aspects of opium, that is all.
They were over-prescribed at one point, but the problem of opiates existed long before then. It was merely not as severe.

You still don't seem to understand what the term "Ponzi scheme" means. Let me help you, you should probably find another term:

Ponzi scheme - Wikipedia

Its the same god-damned legal/medical system that perpetuates war on drugs,
sells opiates that kill - allows alcohol that kills more than all the illegal drugs
and then imprisons and murders people for using harmless substances like marijuana.

I do not trust those satans. What do you not understand?

As for your willful avoidance on how snake-water is sold - its all about pushing profits
for 'investors' - like most of Capitalism and academia - it is based on eroding
the middle-class by making them victims of medical-legal scams like vaccines.

Consider this: If they put out a new vaccine every year, and a disease dies off of its
own accord, then they just claim that it was 'our vaccine' that did it.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

There is no "objective morality".

That is itself a claim that is claiming to be objective!!!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Its the same god-damned legal/medical system that perpetuates war on drugs,
sells opiates that kill - allows alcohol that kills more than all the illegal drugs
and then imprisons and murders people for using harmless substances like marijuana.

I do not trust those satans. What do you not understand?

As for your willful avoidance on how snake-water is sold - its all about pushing profits
for 'investors' - like most of Capitalism and academia - it is based on eroding
the middle-class by making them victims of medical-legal scams like vaccines.

Consider this: If they put out a new vaccine every year, and a disease dies off of its
own accord, then they just claim that it was 'our vaccine' that did it.

Nope, over generalization and conspiracy theories are all that you have.

What evidence do you have that supports your claims? Rants are not evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is itself a claim that is claiming to be objective!!!

Let me fix it then. There is no valid reason to think that the Bible is any more objective than any other source.

Of course you could try to support your claims. If you ask me to I will gladly do so. By the way, you do realize that you are depending upon the science that you deny every time that you post here. There is a term for that sort of activity.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Let me fix it then. There is no valid reason to think that the Bible is any more objective than any other source.

Of course you could try to support your claims. If you ask me to I will gladly do so. By the way, you do realize that you are depending upon the science that you deny every time that you post here. There is a term for that sort of activity.

What science do I deny that I am depending on?
And YOU depend on God as you deny Him.

And are you still claiming that it is objectively true that morality is not objective?
Or was that just a subjective opinion, hmm?

 

[ChristineM]

The nazis swastika was first used by the mongols!
So according to your interpretation, there were no atheists in nazi germany?
Gott in hemel!

You seem to make the error of misunderstanding the parable of the good samaritan.
A Christian is defined as a good person, no matter what symbols they hold
or what congregation they belong to. That is why Christ gave us that parable.

Wtf has Mongolia to do with atheist?


It [the swastika] is found in the archeological remains of the Indus Valley Civilization and Mesopotamia, as well as in early Byzantineand Christian artwork.
From Swastika - Wikipedia
I.e. prior to mongolian times.

Nazis actively drescriminated agasinst, hunted and executed athiests
Discrimination against atheists - Wikipedia

You seem to make the error that many so called Christians make... You fail to realise that it is not your prerogative to dictate the faith of another person. You also seem to consider yourself a god in judging others based on your own limited morality

 

[Subduction Zone]

What science do I deny that I am depending on?
And YOU depend on God as you deny Him.

And are you still claiming that it is objectively true that morality is not objective?
Or was that just a subjective opinion, hmm?

You already admitted to denying both Special and General Relativity. And no, if you want to claim that a god exists the burden of proof is upon you. Let's leave the existence or noexistence of a god out of the argument for right now.

Some moralities clearly work better than others. Nazi morality did not work out that well. That is a subjective opinion, but I think that we will agree on that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

By the way, you will learn a lot more if you focus on just one point at a time. Rants only detract from the discussion.

 

[ChristineM]

What science do I deny that I am depending on?
And YOU depend on God as you deny Him.

And are you still claiming that it is objectively true that morality is not objective?
Or was that just a subjective opinion, hmm?

You deny quantum mechanics and several other sciences while using those sciences to post your denials of science.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

You fail to realise that it is not your prerogative to dictate the faith of another person.

But by saying that you are dictating what you take my faith to be!
The first step in logic is to apply your logical claim to itself!

My apologies for innacuracy earlier. The nazis obtained the swastika from the mongols.

They murdered anyone and everyone that was not a nazi.
That is NOT the teaching of Jesus. You are so twisted to suggest it was!

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

You already admitted to denying both Special and General Relativity.

Yes! Absolutely!
And how am I depending on a black-hole right now?

 

[Subduction Zone]

But by saying that you are dictating what you take my faith to be!
The first step in logic is to apply your logical claim to itself!

My apologies for innacuracy earlier. The nazis obtained the swastika from the mongols.

They murdered anyone and everyone that was not a nazi.
That is NOT the teaching of Jesus. You are so twisted to suggest it was!

I have yet to meet a Christian that follows all of the teachings of Jesus. And you overstate what they did. Not even everyone in Germany was a Nazi. Making an overstatement is not a wise debating technique.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

You deny quantum mechanics and several other sciences while using those sciences to post your denials of science.

I never denied anything from quantum theories here.
I denied relativity yes.
To be explicit: quantum time is contrary to relative time.
Either the smallest unit of time cannot change size or it can.
If it changes size then it is no longer a quantum unit.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

I have yet to meet a Christian that follows all of the teachings of Jesus. And you overstate what they did. Not even everyone in Germany was a Nazi. Making an overstatement is not a wise debating technique.

Sure. Even Jesus seems to have made errors.
That is why forgiveness is so vital.

 

[ChristineM]

But by saying that you are dictating what you take my faith to be!
The first step in logic is to apply your logical claim to itself!

My apologies for innacuracy earlier. The nazis obtained the swastika from the mongols.

They murdered anyone and everyone that was not a nazi.
That is NOT the teaching of Jesus. You are so twisted to suggest it was!

I don't care what your faith is, its not me dictating that nazism was not a majoritu Christian faith, that is you.

Yet god murdered every living being on the planet except a close buddy and his family and around 16 million animals yet you dont seem to have a problem with that.

Btw, calling derogatory names is against forum rules. Be polite or get out