I Don't Believe in Gravity!

[Subduction Zone]

Yes! Absolutely!
And how am I depending on a black-hole right now?

Your logic is failing again. A black hole is merely a phenomenon predicted by the theory and that has been observed. Electricity is dependent upon relativity. Magnetism is a relativistic effect, though you may not realize it. You use both when you post here. And I see that you deny quantum mechanics as well. Transistors were based upon quantum dynamics. They do not work with simple Newtonian mechanics:

Quantum Mechanics Meets Semiconductors

New ideas allow new developments. If you deny those ideas you should also be denying the developments that arise from them..

 

[ChristineM]

I never denied anything from quantum theories here.
I denied relativity yes.
To be explicit: quantum time is contrary to relative time.
Either the smallest unit of time cannot change size or it can.
If it changes size then it is no longer a quantum unit.

What?

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

I don't care what your faith is, its not me dictating that nazism was not a majoritu Christian faith, that is you.

Yet god murdered every living being on the planet except a close buddy and his family and around 16 million animals yet you dont seem to have a problem with that.

Btw, calling derogatory names is against forum rules. Be polite or get out

The soul is immortal.
Death is not the end.
I did not use a derogatory name.
Its pretty rude to tell some to 'get out', btw.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

I see that you deny quantum mechanics as well

Quote me where I do this, or admit that you are deluded.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The soul is immortal.
Death is not the end.
I did not use a derogatory name.
Its pretty rude to tell some to 'get out', btw.

Actually you have more than once. When it comes to "derogatory" you are not the judge.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Actually you have more than once. When it comes to "derogatory" you are not the judge.

That is itself a judgment!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Quote me where I do this, or admit that you are deluded.

Then perhaps Christine was wrong.

By the way, you do realize that both Relativity and QM are incomplete. They do not play well together, that tells us that the ideas still need some work. But time dilation has been observed in many ways. How do you explain that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is itself a judgment!

Correct. I will judge you. And if you make derogatory comments others will judge you here. Not you, and not me since I am not a moderator.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Then perhaps Christine was wrong.

By the way, you do realize that both Relativity and QM are incomplete. They do not play well together, that tells us that the ideas still need some work. But time dilation has been observed in many ways. How do you explain that?

Yes, they do not play well together (understatement).
I leave you with this article I wrote on the matter:
Relativity & Time

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, they do not play well together (understatement).
I leave you with this article I wrote on the matter:
Relativity & Time

Not really interested in a blog involving someones inability to understand science.

 

[ChristineM]

The soul is immortal.
Death is not the end.
I did not use a derogatory name.
Its pretty rude to tell some to 'get out', btw.

Another irrelivsnt

The soul is immortal.
Death is not the end.
I did not use a derogatory name.
Its pretty rude to tell some to 'get out', btw.

Another irrelevant post, you seem to make a habit of posting off subject posts when you are stumped. Is there a reason for thisd?

First you need to provide evidence for a soul
Then you need to provide evidence to show immortality
Then you must show that the soul you can't prove is somehow immortal, which you also can't prove.

Talk about logic? Wow

Shall we see if the mods consider calling a fellow poster "twisted" is derogatory or not?

I provided an option, no rudeness involved. If you cannot be polite and follow forum rules then you have no business here. Sorry you don't like the forum rules but they were in place before you joined RF and are there for a good reason.

 

[ChristineM]

Not really interested in a blog involving someones inability to understand science.

I did read it, you are correct, he doesn't understand what he writes about.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not really interested in a blog involving someones inability to understand science.

Let me change this. I got a bit bored and scanned some of your blogs. One large error that you repeatedly make is to try to treat gravity as a quantum effect. Did you not remember that I said that the two ideas did not play well together. One of the problems is that Quantum Mechanics has no way to deal with gravity. Right now the concept of gravity is not covered by they theory. Scientists are working on a couple of models but they are still highly hypothetical:

Quantum gravity - Wikipedia

 

[Shadow Wolf]

By usurping religious morality and teaching that we are predatory animals makes it socially viable to live as parasites - so long as we pay the lawyer/judge/cop. So when biology is used to try and discredit religious teaching - it certainly degrades morality.

We aren't predatory animals, so it would be in error to teach we are. We evolved not for lives of isolation, but of socializing and reliance upon one another. Sure, we did evolve to eat meat, but small amounts of it and plant-based diets are optimal for human health.

What your post is claiming is that before Darwin there were no farms. I know you did not mean it that way, but thats what it boils down to.

That isn't what my post "boils down to." And it is a fact that genetic inheritance wasn't understood until Gregor Mendel scientifically studied it. From their, we have taken our agricultural practices to a whole new level.

Well the only medicine I have ever found useful is to treat my iron deficiency with iron supplements - which is a medicine used by ancient Romans. It has absolutely nothing to do with modern biology.

That is you. That would mean you aren't a cancer patient, that you ADHD meds, and of course there is Penicillin and the polio vaccine.

Biology is often used to discredit even the much more simple notions of Freudian psychology which has at its root the improvement of the conscious - not even a religious morality - but still morality. That is why sexual predators are increasing their effect on society.

Biology doesn't have much to do with psychology, unless you're referring to neuropsychology or life-span development. However, modern psychology throws most Freudian ideas and concepts out the window.
And if sexual predators were increasing their effect on society, we'd continue to ignore it instead of finding them called out on it, and we probably wouldn't have achieved the development of things such as domestic rape.

Science that has no ethical foundation is worse than worthless

For your information, any scientific study that involves human beings must be presented before an ethics committee, known as an institutes internal review board. The policies and procedures are even more strict when they involve children. This exists because of things such as the Milgram Experiment and Zimbardo/Stanford Prison Experiment. Your claim is simply not based on fact or reality, because science experiments must first pass a rigorous scrutiny of ethical concerns.

 

[Milton Platt]

Gravity like Evolution are both theories that are still unproven today and I have issues with each explanation and each has had their formulas tweaked along the years to better represent the new scientific data. I have no reason to believe that the tweaking is going to stop and have multiple reasons to doubt parts of each theory.

scientific hypotheses are unproven. All scientific theories are proven, to varying degrees. What is your explanation for the force that holds you to the surface of the earth (please provide evidence for your own theory that is equal in quantity and quality)

 

[Milton Platt]

Sounds like a silly statement, doesn't it?

So why do we buy into gravity? Is it because we buy into Newton's mathematical equation? Is it because of evidence presented through scientific method? Or is it because we know the earth spins at 1000 miles per hour (at the equator) and we have an understanding that without it, we would be flung into space like fleas being shaken off of a dog (until they hit the ground because of gravity)?

So is it fair to say that we buy into this scientific theory because we have subjective experience, and not because of evidence presented through scientific method?

Another scientific theory is Darwin's theory of evolution through natural selection. Like gravity, it is a scientific theory arrived at through use of the scientific method. Yet 42% of the population (according to a poll I made up for this thread) does not buy into evolution or natural selection even though it uses the same scientific method used to arrive at the theory of gravity (systematic observation, measurement, experimentation, formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses). One can hypothesize (as I do) that the only reason that one would not believe in evolution is because s/he lacks subjective experience.

So In this thread, I would like to hear from those that believe in gravity and do not believe in evolution through natural selection. Why is gravity more valid to you than evolution?


Edited for typos

Why does it matter that 42% of the population does not believe in a given theory? Are theories correct according to some population metric, or are they correct because they adequately explain a given phenomenon given the known facts? What percentage of a population must believe something before believing it makes it true? That's just silly.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Why does it matter that 42% of the population does not believe in a given theory? Are theories correct according to some population metric, or are they correct because they adequately explain a given phenomenon given the known facts? What percentage of a population must believe something before believing it makes it true? That's just silly.

How are you inferring from anything you quoted that the correctness of theories are based on popularity?

The OP questions why people readily accept gravity but deny evolution. It has nothing to do with validity based on popular opinion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How are you inferring from anything you quoted that the correctness of theories are based on popularity?

The OP questions why people readily accept gravity but deny evolution. It has nothing to do with validity based on popular opinion.

It is always a good idea to read the OP, something that I was remiss in doing this time. But then I was responding to a poster that appears to deny gravity.

 

[Milton Platt]

How are you inferring from anything you quoted that the correctness of theories are based on popularity?

The OP questions why people readily accept gravity but deny evolution. It has nothing to do with validity based on popular opinion.

Yep, I misinterpreted his use of the 42% figure.

 

[bobhikes]

scientific hypotheses are unproven. All scientific theories are proven, to varying degrees. What is your explanation for the force that holds you to the surface of the earth (please provide evidence for your own theory that is equal in quantity and quality)

From UniverseToday.com
Our understanding of gravity breaks down at both the very small and the very big: at the level of atoms and molecules, gravity just stops working. And we can’t describe the insides of black holes and the moment of the Big Bang without the math completely falling apart.

Perhaps you have an explanation?