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I Don't Believe in Gravity!

Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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bobhikes said:
From UniverseToday.com
Our understanding of gravity breaks down at both the very small and the very big: at the level of atoms and molecules, gravity just stops working. And we can’t describe the insides of black holes and the moment of the Big Bang without the math completely falling apart.

Perhaps you have an explanation?
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Nope. Not my field of expertise. That doesn't make the theory of gravity wrong, just incomplete.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Milton Platt said:
Okay, elaborate on which parts are wrong and provide the supporting evidence (or links to scientific papers containing such conclusions)
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You both seem to agree that the theories are incomplete. I don't think either of you think that the theories are wrong. Why argue on this minor point?
 
atanu

atanu

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Shadow Wolf said:
1. Irrelevant. I mentioned it because I've faced many hardships without god.
2. Yes, I admit, my own agenda includes putting humanity and the Earth first. You also neglected the part where I said god needs to do all those before he helps me. In the grand scheme of things, there are millions, probably billions, who need such divine help/interference/assistance way, way more than I do.
Extra point 3. You neglected to include that I wouldn't turn to god to use as a means to an end. No more than I'd turn to god "just in case" there is an afterlife of eternal damnation just so I don't "lose" that "wager."
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I would like to interject here. Pardon me please. The highlighted part above is your problem too.
 
atanu

atanu

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Premium Member
viole said:
Many atheists would consider this condescending, but what you say is very true. I could not sustain that pain of loneliness and pointlessness of the Universe any further, either.
So, now I am a happy girl, again. After a lot of thinking and going through different phases of pain and fight with myself, I have found finally comfort in the prefect knowledge that Bob, the pink giant turtle looking-like creator of the Universe, provides the necessary purpose and meaning to make my existence bearable.

Joking aside, that reminds me of a young boy I met once. He must have been 13 or something. He told me he felt sorry and empathetic for his friends not believing in the magic of Santa anymore.

Who should we really feel sorry for, in that situation?

Ciao

- viole
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Hi viole. Does it ever occur to you that your analogies may be perceived as condescending?
 
atanu

atanu

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SalixIncendium said:
After sleeping on it, @Vee , I want to elaborate on this post.

In all seriousness, I don't believe there is any "marketing strategy" in play here at all. Evolution is a fact. "Evolutionists" including the scientists and researchers who study evolution, question evolution themselves. If they didn't, we wouldn't know nearly as much as we currently do. They submit hypotheses, question them, test them, and if they're plausible, they keep them as theories. If they aren't, they dismiss them. That's how science works. Science doesn't "believe". Scientists don't take an ideology and follow it blindly, as many people do. Science observes, experiments, questions, hypothesizes, and creates theories based on these. I have yet to come across one who is knowledgeable in evolution refuse to answer a question about evolution or insult someone's intelligence. IMO, claiming they do, or accusing them of having a "marketing strategy," is an excuse not to learn about it.
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I feel that Neo Darwinism is a deviation from science. Scientists are mostly agnostics. But Neo Darwinists will swear that they know that their own awareness emerged from inert materials through some evolutionary process.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
atanu said:
I feel that Neo Darwinism is a deviation from science. Scientists are mostly agnostics. But Neo Darwinists will swear that they know that their own awareness emerged from inert materials through some evolutionary process.
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So what? Now it appears that you do not know what an agnostic is. Also many Chiristian scientists share those same beliefs. You should not conflate accepting reality with atheism. There are far more Christian scientists that accept the theory of evolution than there are Christian scientists that believe in creationism.
 
atanu

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Subduction Zone said:
So what? Now it appears that you do not know what an agnostic is. Also many Chiristian scientists share those same beliefs. You should not conflate accepting reality with atheism. There are far more Christian scientists that accept the theory of evolution than there are Christian scientists that believe in creationism.
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Who is talking of atheism? Friend, it seems that you do not know what 'gnosis' means.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
atanu said:
Who is talking of atheism? Friend, it seems that you do not know what 'gnosis' means.
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I can read between the lines and it appears to me that you were implying something. If not why can't you be clear? I am not the one lacking knowledge here.

If you can't be clear others have to try to decipher your posts and see what you mean. Knowing where intelligence comes from has nothing to do with whether a person is agnostic or not. Once again since you were not clear I need to make an assumption and you appear to believe that intelligence arising naturally somehow refutes God. It doesn't. It would only refute specific Gods, but specific Gods have always been refutable and have nothing to do with whether someone is agnostic or not.
 
atanu

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Subduction Zone said:
I can read between the lines and it appears to me that you were implying something. If not why can't you be clear? I am not the one lacking knowledge here.
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I know from your posts that you are full of gnosis. But you are not able to see that I alluded to nothing on belief in God.

I meant that most scientists are non committal in respect of many fundamental questions that lie beyond scopes of their studies.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
atanu said:
I know from your posts that you are full of gnosis. But you are not able to see that I alluded to nothing on belief in God.

But I meant that most scientists are non committal in respect of many fundamental questions that lie beyond scopes of their studies.
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Yes, I know certain things. So what? That does not stop someone from being an agnostic. I know that 2 + 2 = 4. And yes, you did have an allusion to God whether you know it or not.

And yes, scientists are noncommittal on fundamental questions that lie beyond the scopes of their studies. Do you think that you found one? You have yet to do so.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
bobhikes said:
From UniverseToday.com
Our understanding of gravity breaks down at both the very small and the very big: at the level of atoms and molecules, gravity just stops working. And we can’t describe the insides of black holes and the moment of the Big Bang without the math completely falling apart.

Perhaps you have an explanation?
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Dr Parampreet Singh has developed a mathematics that does resolve the problems of BB mathematics

I believe that of Dr Frank Wilczek also does but usding a different approach.

On a whimsical note, 42 is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.
 
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