I finally killed something.

[lunakilo]

Are lions evil because they eat Antelope?

/just a thought

I don't think he ate the spiders...

 

[Twilight Hue]

I try my best to avoid killing yet at times it's necessary. When those moments come, I try to do so as quick and painless as possible.

It's simply an aspect of life and living. Cutting the lawn, gardening, eating etc. Killing is completely unavoidable. Don't be so hard on yourself as this is natures way of control and balance. The best that can be done is try to be mindful and discourage habitation by creatures that may otherwise pose a threat. Your included with the cycle of nature not against it.

 

[Where Is God]

Are lions evil because they eat Antelope?

/just a thought

Kinda. They are evolved that way and are not capable of makeing decisions so they aren't really evil. Just poorly evolved.

 

[Gaura Priya]

That's how I pretty much feel about life. Maybe you could find where they are coming from and patch up the hole? Oh wait log cabin nevermind you're screwed. Poor ants. Pesky little creatures.

It's the same when I was trying to salvage my foodstuffs from contamination and whatnot when you have a stupid fruitfly infestation in your very kitchen.

And because I wouldn't want to eat flies in my food, neither would I want to have them multiply through fly sex, I had to make an apple cider vinegar trap, clean the kitchen every day, transfer all my foodstuffs into the fridge (except for dry pantry), until they would die off, 10 by 10.

It just becomes gross if they fly around as if your kitchen was a honey fest... :areyoucra

 

[Where Is God]

Ewww... omgosh, yes, please do kill that spider! Especially thinking about the children!

Ugh, I really don't like big black spiders...

The only reason to kill anything is if for self-preservation and defense.

:run: :cover: :sad4: :thud:

And it's the reason why I'm vegetarian.

Vegetarians ftw!

 

[Gaura Priya]

Vegetarians ftw!

Well, yes, we do exist.

 

[Where Is God]

Well, yes, we do exist.

I am one if you didn't know.
I didn't know you were; getting cooler by the minute.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Yes, that was a justified move! You did good, it was either that or one of the children could have been in the hospital!

You shouldn't feel that bad about killing something, just like UV said, we kill bacteria and things every day, little microscopic organisms die each time we touch things.

BTW, Spiders :cover:

 

[Twilight Hue]

What I mean to say is he didn't do it because he's malicious. Killing isn't always a malicious act.

/eating spiders is gross
//ants on the otherhand . . .

Right. Once lions eat their fill, they don't go out killing antelope again for fun and games. Only to address hunger.

Strangely, I noticed that prey numerous times stop and start eating again once the lions make their kill, even when they are still in full view of each other.

 

[Songbird]

I could argue the exact opposite in any case. It is a matter of opinion, and as I said, completely dependent on how much you value life.

Argue the exact opposite of what? What's completely dependent on how much you value life? You're a very sweet kid, you did what you had to do, and there's no need to be overly upset. There are other things in life to contemplate.

Or maybe researching how to humanely deal with things like this is in the cards for your future career....

 

[Gaura Priya]

I am one if you didn't know.
I didn't know you were; getting cooler by the minute.

Yes... I think when I was around your age, I became a vegetarian.

Since September 2005. Never went back... I'm mainly a lacto-vegetarian. :yes:


Oooh! You're sooo big and brave for manhandling those big, black spiders! :faint:

 

[lunakilo]

Ewww... omgosh, yes, please do kill that spider! Especially thinking about the children!

Ugh, I really don't like big black spiders...

The only reason to kill anything is if for self-preservation and defense.

:run: :cover: :sad4: :thud:

And it's the reason why I'm vegetarian.

I am quite sure the spiders mainly kill for self-preservation.

And don't the plants you eat die?
Is it ok to kill things just because they dont have a brain?

 

[lunakilo]

Yeah? What about mold cultures that exhibit signs of a collective consciousness? Where do they fall on this list?

Mmm, semi-conscious mold

 

[Gaura Priya]

It's okay. I'm still working on converting you guys.

Well, there's no reason to try.

But I would rather die than eat any bacon... The Maccabean mother and her sons were tortured and eventually killed for refusing to eat bacon and pork rinds...


Warning: Bible Spam (TM)

It came to pass also, that seven brethren with their mother were taken, and compelled by the king against the law to taste swine's flesh, and were tormented with scourges and whips.

But one of them that spake first said thus, What wouldest thou ask or learn of us? we are ready to die, rather than to transgress the laws of our fathers.

Then the king, being in a rage, commanded pans and caldrons to be made hot:

Which forthwith being heated, he commanded to cut out the tongue of him that spake first, and to cut off the utmost parts of his body, the rest of his brethren and his mother looking on.

Now when he was thus maimed in all his members, he commanded him being yet alive to be brought to the fire, and to be fried in the pan: and as the vapour of the pan was for a good space dispersed, they exhorted one another with the mother to die manfully, saying thus,

The Lord God looketh upon us, and in truth hath comfort in us, as Moses in his song, which witnessed to their faces, declared, saying, And he shall be comforted in his servants.

So when the first was dead after this number, they brought the second to make him a mocking stock: and when they had pulled off the skin of his head with the hair, they asked him, Wilt thou eat, before thou be punished throughout every member of thy body?

But he answered in his own language, and said, No. Wherefore he also received the next torment in order, as the former did.

And when he was at the last gasp, he said, Thou like a fury takest us out of this present life, but the King of the world shall raise us up, who have died for his laws, unto everlasting life.

After him was the third made a mocking stock: and when he was required, he put out his tongue, and that right soon, holding forth his hands manfully.

And said courageously, These I had from heaven; and for his laws I despise them; and from him I hope to receive them again.

Insomuch that the king, and they that were with him, marvelled at the young man's courage, for that he nothing regarded the pains.

Now when this man was dead also, they tormented and mangled the fourth in like manner.

So when he was ready to die he said thus, It is good, being put to death by men, to look for hope from God to be raised up again by him: as for thee, thou shalt have no resurrection to life.

Afterward they brought the fifth also, and mangled him.

Then looked he unto the king, and said, Thou hast power over men, thou art corruptible, thou doest what thou wilt; yet think not that our nation is forsaken of God;

But abide a while, and behold his great power, how he will torment thee and thy seed.

After him also they brought the sixth, who being ready to die said, Be not deceived without cause: for we suffer these things for ourselves, having sinned against our God: therefore marvellous things are done unto us.

But think not thou, that takest in hand to strive against God, that thou shalt escape unpunished.

But the mother was marvellous above all, and worthy of honourable memory: for when she saw her seven sons slain within the space of one day, she bare it with a good courage, because of the hope that she had in the Lord.

Yea, she exhorted every one of them in her own language, filled with courageous spirits; and stirring up her womanish thoughts with a manly stomach, she said unto them,

I cannot tell how ye came into my womb: for I neither gave you breath nor life, neither was it I that formed the members of every one of you;

But doubtless the Creator of the world, who formed the generation of man, and found out the beginning of all things, will also of his own mercy give you breath and life again, as ye now regard not your own selves for his laws' sake.

Now Antiochus, thinking himself despised, and suspecting it to be a reproachful speech, whilst the youngest was yet alive, did not only exhort him by words, but also assured him with oaths, that he would make him both a rich and a happy man, if he would turn from the laws of his fathers; and that also he would take him for his friend, and trust him with affairs.

But when the young man would in no case hearken unto him, the king called his mother, and exhorted her that she would counsel the young man to save his life.

And when he had exhorted her with many words, she promised him that she would counsel her son.

But she bowing herself toward him, laughing the cruel tyrant to scorn, spake in her country language on this manner; O my son, have pity upon me that bare thee nine months in my womb, and gave thee such three years, and nourished thee, and brought thee up unto this age, and endured the troubles of education.

I beseech thee, my son, look upon the heaven and the earth, and all that is therein, and consider that God made them of things that were not; and so was mankind made likewise.

Fear not this tormentor, but, being worthy of thy brethren, take thy death that I may receive thee again in mercy with thy brethren.

Whiles she was yet speaking these words, the young man said, Whom wait ye for? I will not obey the king's commandment: but I will obey the commandment of the law that was given unto our fathers by Moses.

And thou, that hast been the author of all mischief against the Hebrews, shalt not escape the hands of God.

For we suffer because of our sins.

And though the living Lord be angry with us a little while for our chastening and correction, yet shall he be at one again with his servants.

But thou, O godless man, and of all other most wicked, be not lifted up without a cause, nor puffed up with uncertain hopes, lifting up thy hand against the servants of God:

For thou hast not yet escaped the judgment of Almighty God, who seeth all things.

For our brethren, who now have suffered a short pain, are dead under God's covenant of everlasting life: but thou, through the judgment of God, shalt receive just punishment for thy pride.

But I, as my brethren, offer up my body and life for the laws of our fathers, beseeching God that he would speedily be merciful unto our nation; and that thou by torments and plagues mayest confess, that he alone is God;

And that in me and my brethren the wrath of the Almighty, which is justly brought upon our nation, may cease.

Than the king' being in a rage, handed him worse than all the rest, and took it grievously that he was mocked.

So this man died undefiled, and put his whole trust in the Lord.

Last of all after the sons the mother died.

Let this be enough now to have spoken concerning the idolatrous feasts, and the extreme tortures.

Thus sayeth the 2 Book of Maccabees, chapter 7...

 

[Gaura Priya]

I am quite sure the spiders mainly kill for self-preservation.

And don't the plants you eat die?
Is it ok to kill things just because they dont have a brain?

Well no, even plants cry out and have emotion.

However, I live by my tenets of vegetarianism and have been long influenced from my Hindu involvement in my past, that for me to eat meat would psychologically induce me to sickness.

I just believe in lessening suffering, that's all.

While there are humane ways to kill animals; the Islamic rite of animal slaughtering is one of these ways, in which the animals are killed in a way to reduce meat consumption, and also give the animal the proper respect it deserves.

That's why if I am going to marry a meat-eater, he might as well be a hunter. It's probably healthier flesh that way...

 

[Gaura Priya]

Mmm, semi-conscious mold

Slime moulds... it eats dead things and moves about.

Sooo gross... :cover:

 

[Where Is God]

Argue the exact opposite of what? What's completely dependent on how much you value life? You're a very sweet kid, you did what you had to do, and there's no need to be overly upset. There are other things in life to contemplate.

Or maybe researching how to humanely deal with things like this is in the cards for your future career....

The opposite of what you said silly.

I could argue that people should freak out about things they kill. Maybe we would have a few less species extinct in the world. Wouldn't that be something to celebrate?

I mean I am not overly upset I didn't break down into tears or anything but it's okay to feel remorse, even over a family of spiders.

 

[England my lionheart]

They had eggs in the grass around it. Wasn't sure if I would have been able to find them all.

I'm being picky,I guess its because we only have one poisenous creature here

 

[Where Is God]

I am quite sure the spiders mainly kill for self-preservation.

And don't the plants you eat die?
Is it ok to kill things just because they dont have a brain?

You don't have to kill a plant to take it's fruit. As a matter of fact, you are in most cases helping it. Vegetables however, grow back. The pig that you ate last time you had bacon, didn't.

 

[Koldo]

At first i thought this topic was just a big joke. And then the more i read, the more i started realizing it is not...

I don't have words to successfully describe my current state of mind.