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I finally killed something.
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Where Is God
Creator
If only it were true....... sigh.
I think it's justified.It was sad!!!!!!!:cover:
Today, I found a Black Widow nest (2 alive, 1 dead, 3 eggs) inside a cement mixing plastic container I had left outside a few months ago after I had finished building my deck. I was forced to kill them because it was my little brother's birthday and we were having a party. I don't think I would be able to live with myself if one of them bit one of the kids. So it had to be done.The only real other time I killed something was when my little brother found a snake in our backyard last year and I killed it with a shovel for fear of it biting him.
Was I justified? (This question if more directed to the people who dearly value life such as I do, if you don't care for life, of course you would say yes.)
I feel sad when I kill bugs too, and try to do it as little as possible. I avoid killing more complex animals, because they can suffer, and for other reasons. I don't mind killing plants, because I see no evidence that they have any ability to suffer, seeing as how they have no central nervous system or complex nerves.
With bugs, I'm kind of in the middle. On one hand, science I've looked into has said that their nervous system is very different and far less developed than ours, so while they can surely sense things, calling it "pain" or "suffering" might not be appropriate. But on the other hand, the case doesn't seem completely settled, and I'm not 100% sure they can't suffer.
So, I try to be careful. I used to kill bugs more often, since I'm afraid of them
facepalm, but nowadays I try to move them whenever possible. So if spiders or crickets or things like that get in my apartment, I trap them and put them outside. But if spiders have a web and I can't comfortably trap them, or if it's a stream of ants, or there are flies, I have to kill them since I cannot trap them, but I try to do so as quickly as possible.
Black widows aren't hunting spiders. They just hang out in their nests. They're usually not much of a hazard unless you disturb their nests.It was sad!!!!!!!:cover:
Today, I found a Black Widow nest (2 alive, 1 dead, 3 eggs) inside a cement mixing plastic container I had left outside a few months ago after I had finished building my deck. I was forced to kill them because it was my little brother's birthday and we were having a party. I don't think I would be able to live with myself if one of them bit one of the kids. So it had to be done.The only real other time I killed something was when my little brother found a snake in our backyard last year and I killed it with a shovel for fear of it biting him.
Was I justified? (This question if more directed to the people who dearly value life such as I do, if you don't care for life, of course you would say yes.)
I'd have just moved the container somewhere else, perhaps remove/relocate the spider with a stick.
I'm confused about this "nest" thing. Black widows are solitary. They don't hang out together, at least without one of them getting eaten. As for eggs, like most spiders they lay hundreds of them inside little silk egg cases, which hang in the nests. You don't see the eggs. You see the egg case.
Now, the snake: Why didn't you just pick it up and put it somewhere else? And why would it bite your brother -- unless your brother's small enough for a snake to swallow?
Huh? You mean the spider? They don't lay eggs in grass. They don't usually even leave their webs. They have one or a few egg cases in their webs, with minute little eggs inside.
How do you propose to do that? I don't think you have either a moral or ecological leg to stand on.It's okay. I'm still working on converting you guys.
I think the bigger issue is people who take pleasure when killing something.
Maintaining a balance of when killing is appropriate and when it is not is the key.
There should be no absolutes.
Maintaining a balance of when killing is appropriate and when it is not is the key.
There should be no absolutes.
Where Is God
Creator
Because some meat dishes are so good, it's a sin to let them go to waste.
Or it's a sin to make them.
MorningStar is the best thing to happen to me some of their fake meat is better than the real stuff.
Vendetta
"Oscar the grouch"
It was sad!!!!!!!:cover:
Today, I found a Black Widow nest (2 alive, 1 dead, 3 eggs) inside a cement mixing plastic container I had left outside a few months ago after I had finished building my deck. I was forced to kill them because it was my little brother's birthday and we were having a party. I don't think I would be able to live with myself if one of them bit one of the kids. So it had to be done.The only real other time I killed something was when my little brother found a snake in our backyard last year and I killed it with a shovel for fear of it biting him.
Was I justified? (This question if more directed to the people who dearly value life such as I do, if you don't care for life, of course you would say yes.)
I don't see why this is such a big deal humans are Apex predators and all though you feel bad you made a choice to eliminate potential problems. I too, typically will occasionally see a spider in my house to I tend to capture it and put it back in the wild. However I will not do the same for a poisonous creature because if I mishandle it I may get bitten. Besides, think of it this way, if you were a tiny creature would a black widow show you the same mercy?
Where Is God
Creator
No, but it should. That's how it eats and that is the only way it knows how to eat. It can't help that.
But spiders are not moral agents. Right and wrong don't really apply to them.
Only humans have dietary options or a choice of lifestyles and actions. Only humans can appreciate the impact of their actions on others.
Where Is God
Creator
You are arguing with something I just agreed to. I am aware that it is doing what it needs to do in order to survive and in the long run, it is maybe helping others too.
My point was and always will be, humans can be vegetarians. I don't see why WE don't pay much respect to the lives of the animals we take. We over-hunt and over-fish all the time and it effects nature in negative ways. Sometimes we affect it in good ways. It all depends.
Spider Grandmother weeps, for all life shares an equal place within the Web of Life.
Where Is God
Creator
Exactly. Which is why all self aware beings should be graceful to those that are lesser.
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
I hope they crush us.
Seriously, what I mean is there are so many things in life to validly be concerned about. Hoping aliens treat us well isn't really one of them, neither is being torn up about killing deadly spiders that could have killed a child.
You guys are young and sweet, and I think in a few years you'll understand that you can both immensely value life and realize it's pointless to philosophize much about this.
Where Is God
Creator
I could have moved the two parents. But I didn't, I burned them.
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
Ah. I think I would have been too scared to try to move them. I have no experience with that.
Koldo
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