I finally killed something.

[Where Is God]

I just believe in lessening suffering, that's all.

That's how I feel.

 

[Where Is God]

But the pig can make more babies which will someday grow up to be delicious bacon. More pig babies = more bacon. Bacon math is good math.

Gross math.

 

[Gaura Priya]

But the pig can make more babies which will someday grow up to be delicious bacon. More pig babies = more bacon. Bacon math is good math.

Bacon porn is Satanic! :thud:

Y'all bacon eaters disgust me with utilising meat in a seductive and mouth-watering manner...

Bacon porn addicts! :no:

 

[Songbird]

The opposite of what you said silly.

I could argue that people should freak out about things they kill. Maybe we would have a few less species extinct in the world. Wouldn't that be something to celebrate?

I mean I am not overly upset I didn't break down into tears or anything but it's okay to feel remorse, even over a family of spiders.

Alright, sweetie.

 

[Gaura Priya]

But the pig can make more babies which will someday grow up to be delicious bacon. More pig babies = more bacon. Bacon math is good math.

And bacon is NOT a career choice!

 

[Twilight Hue]

You don't have to kill a plant to take it's fruit. As a matter of fact, you are in most cases helping it. Vegetables however, grow back. The pig that you ate last time you had bacon, didn't.

And when nature "permanently" kills.... Are we really truly different or separate from the forces of nature of which we manifest from? Truth is we are a force of nature even when mindful, it's just as wild and unpredictable as it ever was.

To test and confirm this, do an experiment for yourself and see if you don't kill a single solitary creature at any level (macro or micro) for an entire week. Truth is it simply cannot be done even among the most well intentioned and sensitive.

 

[Where Is God]

And when nature "permanently" kills.... Are we really truly different or separate from the forces of nature of which we manifest from? Truth is we are a force of nature even when mindful, it's just as wild and unpredictable as it ever was.

To test and confirm this, do an experiment for yourself and see if you don't kill a single solitary creature at any level (macro or micro) for an entire week. Truth is it simply cannot be done even among the most well intentioned and sensitive.

Regardless of whether or not I am successful, I TRIED. Sure, I step on an ant every time I walk to my car, I can't help that. I didn't even know it was there. It is even sad when nature kills things, should we have an "oh **** just happens it's nature" attitude with the volcano/earthquakes in Japan? No. That is my point. We should always preserve life whenever possible. Let's no all be realists and do something to better life/existence for all things, not just humans. :rainbow1:

 

[lunakilo]

You don't have to kill a plant to take it's fruit. As a matter of fact, you are in most cases helping it. Vegetables however, grow back. The pig that you ate last time you had bacon, didn't.

True for fruit, but what about grain. You normally kill the whole plant when you harvest.

Mmmm bacon. I am quite religious when it comes to bacon. I feel bad for the pig, but I do love bacon.

 

[Where Is God]

True for fruit, but what about grain. You normally kill the whole plant when you harvest.

Mmmm bacon. I am quite religious when it comes to bacon. I feel bad for the pig, but I do love bacon.

Very true, but plants don't suffer with one swipe of a harvester blade.
Most animals(besides maybe free-range ones) suffer before they are killed, regardless of how they are killed.

 

[lunakilo]

Very true, but plants don't suffer with one swipe of a harvester blade.

Because they don't have a brain/nervous systems?

Most animals(besides maybe free-range ones) suffer before they are killed, regardless of how they are killed.

So does this mean that if you have a little pig called Bacon, and you are nice to the pig every day untill one day, BAM, you kill it and the little pig didn't know what hit it.
Then it would be ok to make bacon out of Bacon?

 

[Where Is God]

Because they don't have a brain/nervous systems?

So does this mean that if you have a little pig called Bacon, and you are nice to the pig every day untill one day, BAM, you kill it and the little pig didn't know what hit it.
Then it would be ok to make bacon out of Bacon?

It's not really okay but it is the best way because the plant lives just like it would live in nature.

If that actually happened on a large scale I am sure I would be less passionate about being a vegetarian but I doesn't. Animals today are raised in small buildings which are often unhealthy(which leads you to be unhealthy), uncomfortable, and unsuitable for living conditions.

 

[blackout]

are you on a fruit, rice, nuts, dairy and beans only diet?

 

[*Anne*]

Was I justified?

I understand your concern. Whenever I can, I relocate. If I feel forced into killing something, or if I kill it accidentally while rehoming it, I feel terrible.

 

[croak]

Right. Once lions eat their fill, they don't go out killing antelope again for fun and games. Only to address hunger.

Strangely, I noticed that prey numerous times stop and start eating again once the lions make their kill, even when they are still in full view of each other.

Predators don't always kill out of hunger. We all know how cats play with their food. Dolphins are known to kill porpoises; for what reason, we still don't know. Also, when surrounded by easy prey, predators can go on killing sprees where many animals are killed, with few, if any, eaten.

And then you'll sometimes have large prey animals that go after predators, obviously not to eat, but clearly to kill.

 

[croak]

Kinda. They are evolved that way and are not capable of makeing decisions so they aren't really evil. Just poorly evolved.

How does that make them poorly evolved? Without predators, prey animals would starve and drive themselves extinct. There's a delicate balance in life, and both carnivores and herbivores have a role to play. You can't have one without the other.

 

[Noaidi]

I understand your concern. Whenever I can, I relocate. If I feel forced into killing something, or if I kill it accidentally while rehoming it, I feel terrible.

I'm the same. Obviously you are going to protect the children in this scenario, but it doesn't lessen the feeling of remorse that another family (albeit non-human) has been killed.

I would either remove the animal to another location, or avoid the area in which they inhabit. I couldn't kill the spiders unless they were an immediate threat to me but, being from the UK (with no lethally venomous spiders), I've never been in this situation here.
I have shared living spaces with wild tarantulas in the Amazon, but we ignored each other and lived side-by-side peacefully (well, I didn't ignore them - I was fascinated by them. They ignored me). It would be different, I suppose, if you had inquisitive children around.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Regardless of whether or not I am successful, I TRIED. Sure, I step on an ant every time I walk to my car, I can't help that. I didn't even know it was there. It is even sad when nature kills things, should we have an "oh **** just happens it's nature" attitude with the volcano/earthquakes in Japan? No. That is my point. We should always preserve life whenever possible. Let's no all be realists and do something to better life/existence for all things, not just humans. :rainbow1:

Part of the issue lies with the mentality that somehow killing and suffering is something wholly unnatural that should not be present whatsoever in the scheme of things. The hard part lies in accepting what is intrinsically normal and natural of which this hard fact lies first within the 4 noble truths applicable to the path I presently walk.

Being mindful and compassionate is certainly a virtue that can be expressed wonderfully and of great benefit of which in total agreement is the preferred venue that we humans should take, but that said, being overtly sensitive can be unintentionally disastrous not just for us, but for other living creatures as well. Like anything in life, I look for balance to where one extreme is not substituted for another. If in event you must kill then do it in a humane manner, or if there is a way, devise an alternative method if possible.

By your own statement of which I highlighted, just continue on to be mindful in things of which is the most anyone can do, and remove things that might encourage potentially hazardous life to settle to which in foresight you can notably reduce or eliminate any specific problem altogether making thing a bit more easygoing. More importantly, don't be hard on yourself when faced with direct truths that you have no personal control over. All that can be said is to do what you can and live well no matter what.

 

[*Anne*]

I'm the same. Obviously you are going to protect the children in this scenario, but it doesn't lessen the feeling of remorse that another family (albeit non-human) has been killed.

*nods*

I recently had to have a neighborhood skunk euthanized, and it broke my heart. It still bothers me, in fact.

 

[Where Is God]

Part of the issue lies with the mentality that somehow killing and suffering is something wholly unnatural that should not be present whatsoever in the scheme of things. The hard part lies in accepting what is intrinsically normal and natural of which this hard fact lies first within the 4 noble truths applicable to the path I presently walk.

Being mindful and compassionate is certainly a virtue that can be expressed wonderfully and of great benefit of which in total agreement is the preferred venue that we humans should take, but that said, being overtly sensitive can be unintentionally disastrous not just for us, but for other living creatures as well. Like anything in life, I look for balance to where one extreme is not substituted for another. If in event you must kill then do it in a humane manner, or if there is a way, devise an alternative method if possible.

By your own statement of which I highlighted, just continue on to be mindful in things of which is the most anyone can do, and remove things that might encourage potentially hazardous life to settle to which in foresight you can notably reduce or eliminate any specific problem altogether making thing a bit more easygoing. More importantly, don't be hard on yourself when faced with direct truths that you have no personal control over. All that can be said is to do what you can and live well no matter what.

I see your point well, however, still am the perfect world guy. In a perfect world, there would be no suffering and that is what I aim for. All animals would die of a natural death(old age) after living in peace with one another. Wouldn't that be cool? What if we humans could replant forests? We can, why don't we? We could sparingly live of Earth's given food and replace everything we take. Just my opinion I respect everyone else's.

 

[Where Is God]

Overpopulation would quickly become an issue, as well as the fact that old age in and of itself can bring suffering. Humans aren't the only ones to suffer such afflictions as cancer, arthritis, organ failure, and the like. I've had many of friends who have put down their pets in their old age because it was the humane thing to do.

We do replant forests and we're working hard to restore and maintain habitats in many parts of the world. If humans are as careless as you think, then why did everyone think that the Gulf Oil Spill was a big deal? Why do people constantly debate oil drilling in Alaska? Why are scientists and fishermen working so hard to protect salmon spawning grounds in Alaska and preventing the upward migration of Asian Carp along the Mississippi? I'm starting to think you don't give your own species enough due credit.

Yes, humanity does do things that revive my faith in it, but nowhere along the lines did I say I hated or even despised humanity. Like I said, in a PERFECT WORLD, nothing would die until it wanted to. When talking about the forests, I was simply implying that we don't replant every tree/forest we cut down, and that is a sad fact. Overall, humanity does do more harm than good to Earth, but we are trying to reverse this unfortunate fact. )(