That can't be right. As I recalled, no one who was invited came so the servants went out and BROUGHT people in. The one who was removed had been brought in, I think.
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Good idea. I agree it is sufficient to be making out what it really says. Most people stop at, "it is sufficient". Do you bake?
My mania wants to say a word. I am a wanna-be writer.
So here is the dialogue.
Me: Do you bake @Muffled?
You: I believe I do @savagewind
An illustration for you:
The words of God are like a recipe. But a recipe must be right for the product to come out good. I bake. Sometimes I forget to put in an ingredient and sometimes I cook it longer than needs be. A few times I cook it less than need be.
In every situation where the recipe is not perfect, the result is not as good as perfect. For most people it is OK. But for me, I need it right.
So here is the dialogue.
Me: Do you bake @Muffled?
You: I believe I do @savagewind
An illustration for you:
The words of God are like a recipe. But a recipe must be right for the product to come out good. I bake. Sometimes I forget to put in an ingredient and sometimes I cook it longer than needs be. A few times I cook it less than need be.
In every situation where the recipe is not perfect, the result is not as good as perfect. For most people it is OK. But for me, I need it right.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe on the other hand there may be many recipes say for Chili. Mine calls for Garlic but many do not. Now for translations many English words might be chosen for a Greek word but some would be right in context and others would not. For instance I could put nutmeg in Chili but it seems highly inappropriate to do so.
Is the Bible going to Paradise with you?
Why?
Jehovah's Witnesses are certain that Jehovah by Jesus Christ will govern Paradise the Jehovah's Witness way.
Jehovah's Witnesses don't answer (my) Bible questions.
If someone in Paradise has a question about the Bible that was not settled in the Watchtower, the JWs won't be able to answer it
AND
the person with the question will have to do without the answer
SO
this will not be true for some people. Psalms 145:16
Jehovah's Witnesses are certain that Jehovah by Jesus Christ will govern Paradise the Jehovah's Witness way.
Jehovah's Witnesses don't answer (my) Bible questions.
If someone in Paradise has a question about the Bible that was not settled in the Watchtower, the JWs won't be able to answer it
AND
the person with the question will have to do without the answer
SO
this will not be true for some people. Psalms 145:16
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it means he knew people who had developed bad habits of not attending church.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I probably could do without all the accounts of the evil that men did.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe if a JW takes a watchtower publication with him that Jesus should confiscate it, lol.
I do not think it means habit.
Luke 1:9 According to the
Luke 2:42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the
Luke 22:39 And having gone forth, He went according to the
John 19:40 Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial
Acts of the Apostles 25:16 I told them that it is not the Roman
Acts of the Apostles 6:14 For we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the
Acts of the Apostles 16:21 by advocating
I agree with you that it is the "habit" of some to miss meetings, but the word "custom" is obviously something different than a habit.
A custom is something a person does that is linked to tradition. Can you see it? I wonder why not.
Also, forsake is the wrong word for missed meetings. If I 'forsake" meetings it means I make the promise to myself that I will never go again. Do you think that is likely?
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is alive in the Spirit? 1 Peter 3:18
So, lady, what did you learn to do on your outing to Earth?
I learned how to shut them up.
A good thing?
I shall go public saying, I do not think so.
I learned how to shut them up.
A good thing?
I shall go public saying, I do not think so.
If I want to serve God and I believe the Bible might have the answer to how, I look it up and there I see that to be serving God means to be making disciples.
OR
Might it mean that to serve God I am to believe that I should BE a disciple?
I actually believe that each person alone is judged. I think though God's will is that we all succeed for righteousness, because it is personal, God does not care how many disciples there can be, but the Bible has people making disciples all over the place.
OR
Might it mean that to serve God I am to believe that I should BE a disciple?
I actually believe that each person alone is judged. I think though God's will is that we all succeed for righteousness, because it is personal, God does not care how many disciples there can be, but the Bible has people making disciples all over the place.
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Kelly of the Phoenix
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God, I hope not. Can't cook, LOL. My mom treats it like an art, but I need someone like Alton Brown to describe the science of what is going on so I know how it works.
Even if the former is what is actually said and meant, I believe that if we judge the tree by its fruit, "being" is far more important. A company that advertises a lot and doesn't focus on product and customer service will not be able to retain customers in the long run.
I do not think it is possible that by The Holy Spirit anyone ever said to make disciples. Nowhere else in scripture is it even hinted at imo.
To be a disciple is a dedication for life. It is not an easy thing to be.
But that it is written we are to be MAKING disciples, can and does lead a person to focus on it instead of first BEING a disciple.
It is my opinion that I am not ready to make anyone a disciple and I suspect I will never be good enough to do it. Does that make me disobedient to Christ's commandment? John 14:15
To be a disciple is a dedication for life. It is not an easy thing to be.
But that it is written we are to be MAKING disciples, can and does lead a person to focus on it instead of first BEING a disciple.
It is my opinion that I am not ready to make anyone a disciple and I suspect I will never be good enough to do it. Does that make me disobedient to Christ's commandment? John 14:15
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
We can make a disciple "via osmosis", sorta. It shouldn't be a goal held to a higher priority than the first few levels of Maslow's hierarchy, though, so no bibles handed out to the starving, you know? However, if I give freely, if I am compassionate, if I do the things I'm supposed to be doing, should that not impress someone enough to consider, if not becoming a disciple, than at least being an ally and not an opponent?
Yes. I understand that by a person's good example someone might think, "I want that!". That is what preaching is for. If I am a good person and I preach, someone might make a connection. Honest to goodness, I understand why people think "make" is fine, right and AOK. I really do! But, if it is NOT what The Holy Spirit said, then is it still righteous to teach that The Holy Spirit says to make them?
Does The Holy Spirit say it is God's will that disciples are made by the effort of humans?
Yes or no?
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The Holy Spirit says that disciples are made by your effort to make them so. THAT is what the Bible says.
Is it true?
Another thought. A disciple means one who is taught. Is that not so?
A disciple of Jesus is one who is taught by Jesus. Is my logic working so far?
You believe it is your job to make a disciple so you teach him with that in mind.
Who teaches him?
YOU do.
So? If you teach someone to be a disciple it follows that he becomes a disciple of YOU.
He is YOUR disciple because you are the one teaching him how to be a disciple and how to make more disciples.
A pyramid scheme it is.
On the other hand, if you BE a disciple you become like a trail blazer making it easier for people behind you to follow the way, the truth and the life.
Is it true?
Another thought. A disciple means one who is taught. Is that not so?
A disciple of Jesus is one who is taught by Jesus. Is my logic working so far?
You believe it is your job to make a disciple so you teach him with that in mind.
Who teaches him?
YOU do.
So? If you teach someone to be a disciple it follows that he becomes a disciple of YOU.
He is YOUR disciple because you are the one teaching him how to be a disciple and how to make more disciples.
A pyramid scheme it is.
On the other hand, if you BE a disciple you become like a trail blazer making it easier for people behind you to follow the way, the truth and the life.
I think that I can prove by scripture that disciples are not made by human effort.
Right off the top of my head (without looking it up); The battle is Jehovah's
Not by might but by MY Spirit says Jehovah. Whose spirit?
Genesis 41:16
1 Samuel 14:6
Ecclesiastes 9:11
Deuteronomy 8:17
Psalm 147:10-11
10His pleasure is not in the strength of the horse, nor his delight in the legs of the warrior; 11the LORD delights in those who fear him, who put their hope in his unfailing love.
With that in mind, how do you teach fear to a person? Also, if your works can really make someone come to Jehovah. why is it written that he takes no delight in your strength?
Now, your turn. Prove to me it is God's will that people should be made by other people.
Right off the top of my head (without looking it up); The battle is Jehovah's
Not by might but by MY Spirit says Jehovah. Whose spirit?
Genesis 41:16
1 Samuel 14:6
Ecclesiastes 9:11
Deuteronomy 8:17
Psalm 147:10-11
10His pleasure is not in the strength of the horse, nor his delight in the legs of the warrior; 11the LORD delights in those who fear him, who put their hope in his unfailing love.
With that in mind, how do you teach fear to a person? Also, if your works can really make someone come to Jehovah. why is it written that he takes no delight in your strength?
Now, your turn. Prove to me it is God's will that people should be made by other people.