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I have another question for YOU to ignore

savagewind

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If I would only just agree with YOU YOU would listen. That is the planet I live on. Oh God, deliver me!

How is it, if Jesus is God, and God says, "all the souls to me they belong", (Ezekiel 18:4) Jesus is able to say, "I never knew you"?
 
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savagewind

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If it is true that people can make other people into learners, why does God depend on Jesus' disciples to do it? Why doesn't God do it?
 

savagewind

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He dose .. some of us go directly to our father creator Hashem as his/our commandments state.
I think I might agree with you that G-d does. Except that we are arguing Christian scripture which says Jesus commanded that some humans should be making other humans into learners.
 

savagewind

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to learn is to see wonder, question and seek answers ... and in the seeking
to discover .. learn
I have over twenty thousand posts to my name. Many of those posts question Christian tradition, but most of those get ignored, or Christian tradition gets thrown back at me. I got tired of being misunderstood and ignored, thus, the title of the thread.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
~;> again
so as it is written
:read:
Galatians 6:1
Brothers and sisters, if a person gets trapped by wrongdoing, those of you who are spiritual should help that person turn away from doing wrong. Do it in a gentle way. At the same time watch yourself so that you also are not tempted.
2 Help carry each other's burdens. In this way you will follow Christ's teachings.

... . if we may say so
again just for a thought . ...


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godbless
unto all always
 

savagewind

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~;> again
so as it is written
:read:
Galatians 6:1
Brothers and sisters, if a person gets trapped by wrongdoing, those of you who are spiritual should help that person turn away from doing wrong. Do it in a gentle way. At the same time watch yourself so that you also are not tempted.
2 Help carry each other's burdens. In this way you will follow Christ's teachings.

... . if we may say so
again just for a thought . ...


:ty:




godbless
unto all always
Godbless you too. I know that scripture. Thank you. Tradition has it meaning sin, not misunderstandings.

I think it might read thus: If a person gets trapped by wrong thinking....Matthew 6:22 Isaiah 5:20 Luke 11:35
 

ukok102nak

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Godbless you too. I know that scripture. Thank you. Tradition has it meaning sin, not misunderstandings.

I think it might read thus: If a person gets trapped by wrong thinking....Matthew 6:22 Isaiah 5:20 Luke 11:35

~;> indeed
. ... as the mind and flesh become one
so as the spirit and the soul ... .


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godbless
unto all always
 

savagewind

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It might look like I want attention, but if I am right, it means they are wrong. If they are wrong, they are headed for disaster (according to their own words) so I think it would be a worse thing if I didn't want attention.

 

savagewind

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It might look like I want attention, but if I am right, it means they are wrong. If they are wrong, they are headed for disaster (according to their own words) so I think it would be a worse thing if I didn't want attention.
Aha! Some people might believe that I can't hear you think. Is someone not thinking, "but if savagewind is wrong SHE is headed for disaster"? Some people are so cute (and shy)!

Ya, but, I do not think I am NOT headed for disaster. I think YOU do. I might be wrong about that. I know that Jehovah's Witnesses are being taught to cling to the governing body so that Jesus will not slay them. I think other religions are similar. What do you @Katzpur think about that?

At one time I thought that people of the secular world might worry about what could happen to religion and its people because when the Earth opens up to swallow them down, how do you know where? You might go down with them. I suggest you consider it a fact that you might go down with them. Why not?
 

savagewind

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Can anyone deny away is the opposite of with? I propose AGAIN that Jesus must remind people that they are not WITH him on The Way and that he can not ever, ever, tell anyone to "get away from him". He is here to gather peoples. Why does he ever tell anyone NOT to gather, according to YOU?

Matthew 1:23
"The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" (which means "God with us").
Matthew 17:17
"You unbelieving and perverse generation," Jesus replied, "how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I be with you? Bring the boy here to me."
Matthew 26:29
I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom
Matthew 28:20
teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.
Mark 9:8
Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Jesus.
Luke 9:49
"Master," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not with us."
Luke 22:15
And he said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer."
Luke 22:53
Every day I was with you in the temple courts, and you did not lay a hand on me. But this is your hour--when darkness reigns.
Luke 24:29
But they urged him strongly, "Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over." So he went in to stay with them.
John 7:33
Jesus said, "I am with you for only a short time, and then I am going to the one who sent me.
John 12:8
You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.

This is really interesting if you might leave tradition. I think that Jesus was not referring to the poor in the worldly sense of not having enough to live on (Why would there ALWAYS be poor among them?), but that he was referring to the woman, she being poor in The Spirit.

John 13:33
My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come.
John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been with you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever-
John 14:30
I will not say much more with you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me
John 16:4
I have told you this, so that when their time comes you will remember that I warned you about them. I did not tell you this from the beginning because I was with you

Revelation 3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

If you do not hear what the spirit says to the congregation, then ALL your works are worked WITHOUT The Holy Spirit or imagine this (if you are able) AWAY from The Holy Spirit.

Away is the opposite of with.


 

savagewind

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Lord, why can't they see?
They are babes.
Why?
It is because they believe and teach that a person becomes like who they associate with. 1 Corinthians 15:33
They associate with those who are babes because they go to the people who know nothing of my ways.
Why do they do that?
They believe it is what I commanded them to do. They are teaching babies my way so the teachers have become like those needing milk because they believe 1 Cor 15:33.
Can you take 1 Cor 15:33 away for them?
No, for they obey men's words and not God's Spirit. Remember, it is written, "Exodus 34:14".
 

savagewind

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Do you not believe that what you believe is true for you comes true for you?

Or maybe you do not think that babies are bad associations for The Kingdom of God.

Let me tell you, you have some thinking to do.
 

savagewind

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Tradition is KING so Jesus could never have said this.

They say, "lord! lord!" And he says, "you never knew me as your lord, your works are being done away from me (the way, the truth and the life)".

Tell me (why not?) for anything to be made fast for righteousness Jesus must accompany that work. Yes or no? I say definitely YES. You say, "what the ****?"

Or....maybe you say, "what is that annoying little sound I think I am hearing?"


Or even, "let me check with @Jayhawker Soule first about it".
 

djhwoodwerks

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Can anyone deny away is the opposite of with? I propose AGAIN that Jesus must remind people that they are not WITH him on The Way and that he can not ever, ever, tell anyone to "get away from him". He is here to gather peoples. Why does he ever tell anyone NOT to gather, according to YOU?

Matthew 7:22-23 (ASV) 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What "day" do you think He is talking about here?
 

savagewind

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Matthew 7:22-23 (ASV) 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What "day" do you think He is talking about here?
The day they are cut down and thrown into the fire. When do you suppose they have time to SAY anything?

Matthew 7: 19 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
 

savagewind

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Actually, that verse says, "DOES NOT", not "HAS NOT"!
And your point is?
Maybe it is not too late to learn to think.

Have you ever wondered why the righteous look for the wicked?
Psalms 37:9-10

Maybe those remaining say to Jesus, "did THEY not prophesy in your name and expel demons in your name? Then I will confess to those who have endured to the end, "they never knew me, they worked apart from me".

Matthew 7:19-23
 

savagewind

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Can you imagine what it will be like if I am right?
YOU who judge that the unrighteous will be destroyed are not unrighteous by your flesh but you are unrighteous by your spirit in union with The Word. Believe me, it is worse. What is worse? To teach lies to the unsuspecting is worse than sins of the flesh. Matthew 26:24 Matthew 18:6
So, you judge and with what judgement you judge you will be judged. If you are a Bible believer you need not think judgement, you only have to agree with what YOUR Bible says. Then, when those who seemed to be most righteous are destroyed, like they say WE will be, people will wonder. Some people might even ASK the Lord, "what the hell was THAT?" Then he will make it known that even though they seemed to be for his name, they were doing their works away from God's will be done in Jesus Christ's name.
 
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