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Sonofason

Sonofason

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savagewind said:
Is a Christian someone who believes that Jesus will rule the World?

I am not addressing anyone in particular.
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Mostly, I would think that He reigns in our hearts, but there are verses that suggest He reigns over the heavens and the earth as well. And there are also verses that suggest that he WILL reign over this world.

"Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever." (Revelation 11:15)
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Sonofason said:
Mostly, I would think that He reigns in our hearts, but there are verses that suggest He reigns over the heavens and the earth as well. And there are also verses that suggest that he WILL reign over this world.

"Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever." (Revelation 11:15)
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Can you look at that another way? It is written that the head of every man is Christ. Would that not include everyone? Of course! He is faithful and true so the writer of Revelation saw that he is powerful over nations. It is the false Jesus who makes the Christ weak. It is just math. I believe a positive multiplied by a negative makes a negative.
 
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Sonofason

Sonofason

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savagewind said:
Can you look at that another way? It is written that the head of every man is Christ. Would that not include everyone? Of course! He is faithful and true so the writer of Revelation saw that he is powerful over nations. It is the false Jesus who makes the Christ weak. It is just math. I believe a negative multiplied by a positive makes a negative.
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I do not believe so. You have to remember that Paul is speaking of those who believe and accept Christ. Christ does not reign and is not the head of a man that does not receive Him. But every man could receive Him and if that man were to receive Him, Christ would be the head of every man, and when he was speaking of man in this verse, he was referring to gender. I will show the verses.

"...I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved. Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you. But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

Paul is speaking primarily to believers, but also to those who might come to the knowledge that leads to salvation. And of course, this is not a very popular verse among women, so I don't blame you for not quoting it in its entirety, but Paul doesn't seem to have been referring to mankind in that verse, but the men who are in Christ, and those who might come to be in Christ.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Sonofason said:
I do not believe so. You have to remember that Paul is speaking of those who believe and accept Christ. Christ does not reign and is not the head of a man that does not receive Him. But every man could receive Him and if that man were to receive Him, Christ would be the head of every man, and when he was speaking of man in this verse, he was referring to gender. I will show the verses.

"...I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved. Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you. But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

Paul is speaking primarily to believers, but also to those who might come to the knowledge that leads to salvation. And of course, this is not a very popular verse among women, so I don't blame you for not quoting it in its entirety, but Paul doesn't seem to have been referring to mankind in that verse, but the men who are in Christ, and those who might come to be in Christ.
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That is your opinion. Mankind was created in the image of God. Yes or no? Being in God's image makes God the head of every person through Christ (because rulership was given him) and woman through man. Through still means head, you know.

Can someone exist this truth? You seem to be saying yes. I don't believe that.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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savagewind said:
That is your opinion. Mankind was created in the image of God. Yes or no? Being in God's image makes God the head of every person through Christ (because rulership was given him) and woman through man. Through still means head, you know.

Can someone exist this truth? You seem to be saying yes. I don't believe that.
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I'm just reading what he wrote without adding my own thoughts to what he said. I think that is a dangerous game...interjecting my own thoughts into what other people say.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

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Sonofason said:
I'm just reading what he wrote without adding my own thoughts to what he said. I think that is a dangerous game...interjecting my own thoughts into what other people say.
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Why in that verse would Paul feel the need to be redundant when referring to the man being the head of every woman? Unless of course he wasn't being redundant, and you are misrepresenting the verse. If Christ is the head of every woman, why is man the head of every woman? Isn't that a contradiction?
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Sonofason said:
Can you quit imagining that it is all allegory pertaining to the past?
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I do not believe it is allegory. I believe the writer saw reality. What is written is a picture of what a faithful man really saw.

Revelation 1:8

He saw the struggle that people of faith were having, had had, and would have.

Was means the past. Is means the present. And is to come means the future.

God IS. God does not change, but God is with us as we change.
 
loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
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I do not understand this. Christ died and he returns to anyone who professes faith in him for righteousness sake. Did he not return to the Apostle Paul?

His death was leaving and his love means coming. He comes to people who will allow him in. He has been coming for two thousand years. It is by The Holy Spirit that he comes so anyone saying that he has not come is sinning aginst The Holy Spirit.
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I mean He has returned as promised and Christians have mostly missed.

He even addressed Christians but they ignored Him up till now.
 
loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
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savagewind said:
If they keep teaching that he has not come the people believing it will be more easily led whichever way someone who looks good to them will lead them.

God is my Savior. Has not God always existed and been close to those who seek God?
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In Christ's time the same happened. It was the religious leaders who were against Jesus and had Him put to death. Had they understood their own scriptures they would have believed in Him.

Today again, it's the leaders saying He hasn't come but we who really love Him know His Voice and we accept Him.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Sonofason said:
So you believe it is beneficial to add to the words written and give them new meaning. Have at it. You believing that I am living dangerously means absolutely nothing to me.
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YOU give scripture meaning that is not there. Of that I am sure.

I do not call it living dangerously. YOU do.
 
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