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savagewind

savagewind

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I think that if Jesus made his will known to someone who now calls himself an agnostic or even an atheist the someone would give ear and perhaps even obey him. But your Jesus will wait for the last second of someone's life to finally tell him what to do and that is to GET AWAY! Nice.* Huh?

*that is sarcasm
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Matthew 24:39

36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows,+ neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.+37 For just as the days of Noah were,+ so the presence* of the Son of man will be.+38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,+39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away,+ so the presence of the Son of man will be.

What did they take no note of in Noah's day and what are they taking no note of now?

The JWs say they took no note that repentance and getting in the ark was God's will for them. But I say that can't be right because the ark was not made for a number of possible repenters. What if some repented and accepted God's offer but Noah had not collected enough food for them?

I think that in Noah's day they did not perceive that what they were doing would cause rain.

Presently, I think people do not think that what they are doing will cause fire. 2 Peter 3:7
 
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allright

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savagewind said:
I do not think that is what I am talking about. I am talking about the verb.

ἀπελεύσονται

aperchomai: to go away, go after
Original Word: ἀπέρχομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: aperchomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-erkh'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I come or go away from, depart, return
Definition: I come or go away from, depart, return, arrive, go after, follow.

If death is the sentence with no options the person becomes dead. But Jesus uses a VERB.
He is telling them to do something. According to everyone He is telling them, "be destroyed".
I am sure a dead person can not go anywhere but he is telling them to go away.
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They are not dead they are alive in hell

Luke 23:27-28 " there will be weeping and gashing of teeth"
 
savagewind

savagewind

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allright said:
Right alive in hell

Mathew 13:50 "and cast them into a furnace of fire in that place there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth""
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Or maybe he is telling us why people wail and gnash their teeth. In other words, they never sought him and that is why they sometimes suffer while they live. They die before ever knowing Jesus. It is about God's sacred secret.
 
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allright

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savagewind said:
Or maybe he is telling us why people wail and gnash their teeth. In other words, they never sought him and that is why they sometimes suffer while they live. They die before ever knowing Jesus. It is about God's sacred secret.
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nonsense its talking about final judgement. Mathew 13:49 says its the end of the age and angels will be putting them
there
 
savagewind

savagewind

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allright said:
nonsense its talking about final judgement. Mathew 13:49 says its the end of the age and angels will be putting them
there
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And, do you BELIEVE that? All this time God and the angels might have made themselves known but it won't be until it is too late for most people. Why do you think that is?
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
savagewind said:
A question for @Katzpur
You believe Jesus is physical. Is he physical inside too? Does his bowel move food through?
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Wow! What a strange question! :p I think you might be equating "physical" with "mortal," and I don't believe that Jesus is mortal. I don't believe His body functions the way ours do. A mortal body has certain requirements that an immortal body does not have. We need food and water to sustain us, and a digestive system to process the food and water we take in. I simply believe that He is a being with "flesh and bones" as He clearly stated was the case. In other words, if He were to appear to any one of us today, we could touch His hands and feet, just as His Apostles did when He appeared to them as a resurrected being. I believe that when I see Him again, I will be able to throw my arms around Him and that He will be able to throw His around me.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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Katzpur said:
Wow! What a strange question! :p I think you might be equating "physical" with "mortal," and I don't believe that Jesus is mortal. I don't believe His body functions the way ours do. A mortal body has certain requirements that an immortal body does not have. We need food and water to sustain us, and a digestive system to process the food and water we take in. I simply believe that He is a being with "flesh and bones" as He clearly stated was the case. In other words, if He were to appear to any one of us today, we could touch His hands and feet, just as His Apostles did when He appeared to them as a resurrected being. I believe that when I see Him again, I will be able to throw my arms around Him and that He will be able to throw His around me.
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Thank you. Does he eat? John 21:12
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Katzpur said:
Wow! What a strange question! :p I think you might be equating "physical" with "mortal," and I don't believe that Jesus is mortal. I don't believe His body functions the way ours do. A mortal body has certain requirements that an immortal body does not have. We need food and water to sustain us, and a digestive system to process the food and water we take in. I simply believe that He is a being with "flesh and bones" as He clearly stated was the case. In other words, if He were to appear to any one of us today, we could touch His hands and feet, just as His Apostles did when He appeared to them as a resurrected being. I believe that when I see Him again, I will be able to throw my arms around Him and that He will be able to throw His around me.
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yeah but does He sneeze, cough, spit, ......and all that other stuff?

When called to share the wine.....does it just disappear into our guts?
no need for relief?
 
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Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Thief said:
yeah but does He sneeze, cough, spit, ......and all that other stuff?

When called to share the wine.....does it just disappear into our guts?
not need for relief?
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What do you think?

In the Clementine Homilies, the Apostle Peter describes God's physical appearance thus:

For He has shape, and He has every limb primarily and solely for beauty's sake, and not for use. For He has not eyes that He may see with them; for He sees on every side, since He is incomparably more brilliant in His body than the visual spirit which is in us, and He is more splendid than everything, so that in comparison with Him the light of the sun may be reckoned as darkness. Nor has He ears that He may hear; for He hears, perceives, moves, energizes, acts on every side. But He has the most beautiful shape on account of man, that the pure in heart, may be able to see Him, that they may rejoice because they suffered. For He moulded man in His own shape as in the greatest seal, in order that he may be the ruler and lord of all, and that all may be subject to him.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Katzpur said:
What do you think?

In the Clementine Homilies, the Apostle Peter describes God's physical appearance thus:

For He has shape, and He has every limb primarily and solely for beauty's sake, and not for use. For He has not eyes that He may see with them; for He sees on every side, since He is incomparably more brilliant in His body than the visual spirit which is in us, and He is more splendid than everything, so that in comparison with Him the light of the sun may be reckoned as darkness. Nor has He ears that He may hear; for He hears, perceives, moves, energizes, acts on every side. But He has the most beautiful shape on account of man, that the pure in heart, may be able to see Him, that they may rejoice because they suffered. For He moulded man in His own shape as in the greatest seal, in order that he may be the ruler and lord of all, and that all may be subject to him.
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ah.....a form without form.....

no wine at the Table
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
if you have arms....that are not used as arms.....

the rest describes an Entity not of flesh.

no wine at the Table
 
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