I have deep hatred for Homosexuality & Lesbianism

[Gharib]

So In the modern age what is the punishment for such a "crime" ?

For fornication? It is 100 lashes in public and exile for a year from the town/city/province. But not to worry, this only applies to Muslims, who accept this as a just form of punishment if they ever fall into this crime/sin.

 

[David1967]

For fornication? It is 100 lashes in public and exile for a year from the town/city/province. But not to worry, this only applies to Muslims, who accept this as a just form of punishment if they ever fall into this crime/sin.

May I ask, do you think this Is an acceptable punishment? I cannot conceive of such in our time.

 

[psychoslice]

For fornication? It is 100 lashes in public and exile for a year from the town/city/province. But not to worry, this only applies to Muslims, who accept this as a just form of punishment if they ever fall into this crime/sin.

Sounds barbaric and backward thinking to me.

 

[Gharib]

Why? What's the basis for this perspective?

The simple answer is that the Qur'an, which we believe comes from God says so. But that doesn't satisfy your inquisition.

Some prohibitions in Islam are not explained as to why something is prohibited. It becomes apparent once they are committed. The visible results that arise from this act is an increase in STD's, destruction of families and the lives of children having to grow up in torn up families, alack of love between two people, etc.

Although married couple do get divorced and their children might go through the same hardships and difficulties, the rate is and can be drastically reduced by prohibiting fornication. Islam is often criticized for it's allowance of marriage for both genders once they reach the age of puberty (taking into account some other factors too) but the fact that in western societies, which are not governed by Islamic law, youngsters as young as 12 years old commit sexual acts/fornication. Which is why in turn there is a call for sex education in schools for kids in primary school to teach them about the dangers. These dangers would be nonexistent if two young adults could marry and not fiddle with others.

There are a lot of other things I could say but I don't want to derail the thread as this is a topic of it's own.

 

[Valjean]

Are laws supposed to have some useful purpose, or do we just blindly obey an apparently senseless set of rules just because they're written in an ancient book?

Law based on reason or divine command?

 

[Gharib]

What makes your understanding proper, and servants wrong? He seems to represent the large majority of Muslims.
Tom

Based on what criteria did you conclude that he represents the majority? I base my statements on Islamic sources, I can provide them if need be. And in turn to say that Islam hates homosexuals while not making a distinction between being homosexual and committing an act of homosexuality, one must provide evidence from Islamic sources. Personal feelings, regardless of being shared by the majority do not hold any weight.

 

[David1967]

The simple answer is that the Qur'an, which we believe comes from God says so. But that doesn't satisfy your inquisition.

Some prohibitions in Islam are not explained as to why something is prohibited. It becomes apparent once they are committed. The visible results that arise from this act is an increase in STD's, destruction of families and the lives of children having to grow up in torn up families, alack of love between two people, etc.

Although married couple do get divorced and their children might go through the same hardships and difficulties, the rate is and can be drastically reduced by prohibiting fornication. Islam is often criticized for it's allowance of marriage for both genders once they reach the age of puberty (taking into account some other factors too) but the fact that in western societies, which are not governed by Islamic law, youngsters as young as 12 years old commit sexual acts/fornication. Which is why in turn there is a call for sex education in schools for kids in primary school to teach them about the dangers. These dangers would be nonexistent if two young adults could marry and not fiddle with others.

There are a lot of other things I could say but I don't want to derail the thread as this is a topic of it's own.

I appreciate your honesty, but seriously there is no excuse for such a barbaric form of punishment today.

 

[Gharib]

I appreciate your honesty, but seriously there is no excuse for such a barbaric form of punishment today.

Seeing that you are from the US (based on previous conversations) where capital punishment still exists unlike many other modern western countries, what do you think about a man who shoots someone for having invaded his house whether he warns the intruder or not?

 

[Gharib]

Sounds barbaric and backward thinking to me.

I could say the same thing about Australia's leniency towards criminals. Is or is Australia not too lenient towards criminals? Be honest.

 

[Gharib]

Are laws supposed to have some useful purpose, or do we just blindly obey an apparently senseless set of rules just because they're written in an ancient book?

Law based on reason or divine command?

I told you, they are written in a book, but there is reasoning behind them. I thought I explained that.

 

[MARCELLO]

Aka LGTB

So currently iam watching good show. There is some of LGTB Propaganda inside the tvshow.

Btw this hatred doesnt mean i will go outside and beat gays lol. Chill!


Am i the only one who has this deeprooted hatred? Or there are also others?

I am very sorry for you.It must feel like a torture for you living in the west seeing same sex couples everywhere.

May He allow you get an one way ticket to Afghanistan where you can joyfully live among people with same mind set.

 

[David1967]

Seeing that you are from the Uis (based on previous conversations) where capital punishment still exists unlike many other modern western countries, what do you think about a man who shoots someone for having invaded his house whether he warns the intruder or not?

To be clear I am not a supporter of capital punishment either. If the crime is heinous enough then put them in prison for life but to me we should not have capital punishment. Self defense is another story. As to your question of the home intruder it would depend on the situation. There are no one size fits all scenarios.

 

[YmirGF]

For obvious reasons.

I find it disgusting.

Nothing personal, gay and lesbian members on religiousforums.
Its better to behonest than to wear fake mask


I would appreciate if islamhaters admitted it just like i admit my clear hate for LGTB.

Well, at least you are honest. Though, in this case, I don't see that as being much to brag about. As for "islamhaters"... I simply don't take Islam seriously enough to hate it.

 

[Deathbydefault]

The simple answer is that the Qur'an, which we believe comes from God says so. But that doesn't satisfy your inquisition.

Some prohibitions in Islam are not explained as to why something is prohibited. It becomes apparent once they are committed. The visible results that arise from this act is an increase in STD's, destruction of families and the lives of children having to grow up in torn up families, alack of love between two people, etc.

Although married couple do get divorced and their children might go through the same hardships and difficulties, the rate is and can be drastically reduced by prohibiting fornication. Islam is often criticized for it's allowance of marriage for both genders once they reach the age of puberty (taking into account some other factors too) but the fact that in western societies, which are not governed by Islamic law, youngsters as young as 12 years old commit sexual acts/fornication. Which is why in turn there is a call for sex education in schools for kids in primary school to teach them about the dangers. These dangers would be nonexistent if two young adults could marry and not fiddle with others.

There are a lot of other things I could say but I don't want to derail the thread as this is a topic of it's own.

'Freedom is a representation of chaos', as some would say.
Some might also say 'subjugation is accepted only by those weak to themselves'.

 

[psychoslice]

I could say the same thing about Australia's leniency towards criminals. Is or is Australia not too lenient towards criminals? Be honest.

I will agree the we are too lenient towards criminals, but that doesn't mean we have to be like animals and be cruel, it just needs to be more jail term, cutting someone's hand off for stealing is just ridiculers, at least here in Australia we can live in more freedom and not spending our whole life worrying about being stoned or head off, and you know the rest.

 

[Gharib]

May I ask, do you think this Is an acceptable punishment? I cannot conceive of such in our time.

Having grown up without witnessing any such form of punishment or physical punishment for a crime in public, it is hard to swallow. I could never pursue a career in handing out those punishments, however, Islam is more about personal feelings and ones whims. I do see it as a just punishment though. Criminal activity has risen around the globe because of less painful forms of punishment and a great deal of leniency.

I remember the time Tiger Woods had his affairs exposed, everyone was so quick to vilify him for it due to cheating on his wife when on the other hand your or his society facilitates this kind of act through strip clubs, encouragement of safe sex etc etc. So why the double standard in this case?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am very sorry for you.It must feel like a torture for you living in the west seeing same sex couples everywhere.

May He allow you get an one way ticket to Afghanistan where you can joyfully live among people with same mind set.

Male homosexuality is a big thing in Afghan culture. Lol. They love little boys, too.

 

[Gharib]

To be clear I am not a supporter of capital punishment either. If the crime is heinous enough then put them in prison for life but to me we should not have capital punishment. Self defense is another story. As to your question of the home intruder it would depend on the situation. There are no one size fits all scenarios.

Fair enough about the invasion. But as for capital punishment, is the US any more barbaric, backward and outdated than Germany, France and the UK who do not implement capital punishment? Because the feeling and attitude I got from the last few posts by you and others is that Islam is evil because of what it deems a crime and the punishment it offers.

 

[Gharib]

'Freedom is a representation of chaos', as some would say.
Some might also say 'subjugation is accepted only by those weak to themselves'.

Muslims willingly accept Islamic laws. There is no subjugation involved. That's why under an Islamic state (not ISIS/ISIL) non-Muslims live autonomously under Islamic rule because our laws do not apply to them apart from certain minor details.

 

[Gharib]

I will agree the we are too lenient towards criminals, but that doesn't mean we have to be like animals and be cruel, it just needs to be more jail term, cutting someone's hand off for stealing is just ridiculers, at least here in Australia we can live in more freedom and not spending our whole life worrying about being stoned or head off, and you know the rest.

So we are in agreement then, Australia is barbaric and cruel to those who fall victim to these criminals.