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I have no idea which religion would fit me the best

InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

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bowingtoGod said:
People do not search to see if something is true, but then continue on searching their whole lives.
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But As a Baha'i, I also agree with what you say. not everbody may search to see if something is true. So, for example I searched Islam, and with my understanding it's true, as Quran is the proof to me. (it may not be to other's, but no problem, every ones free.) and I also searched the Baha'i faith. That's also with my understanding is true. As the verses are the proof to me. But I chose the Baha'i faith, because it's the latest one. As religions are prograssive, we should choose the latest one, shouldn't we?
 
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bowingtoGod

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InvestigateTruth said:
But As a Baha'i, I also agree with what you say. not everbody may search to see if something is true. So, for example I searched Islam, and with my understanding it's true, as Quran is the proof to me. (it may not be to other's, but no problem, every ones free.) and I also searched the Baha'i faith. That's also with my understanding is true. As the verses are the proof to me. But I chose the Baha'i faith, because it's the latest one. As religions are prograssive, we should choose the latest one, shouldn't we?
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I think we should choose the one that first has credibility. Islam makes the claim that the Bible has been changed or altered. While I don't think we have proof that the Torah has been altered, there is a huge gap from the time it was written. But as for the new Testament, we know that at least small bits have been changed. So Islam's claim is not totally baseless. And after that, we have to investigate if this religion is logical. And all that jazz ahhh
but as for going with the latest, then why not go to Wicca or new age religions? they are far newer. I believe that religion was perfected with Islam and there is no other need for a new religion. I do believe however that throughout time, Islam will be reformed and should be reformed.
 
InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

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bowingtoGod said:
I think we should choose the one that first has credibility. Islam makes the claim that the Bible has been changed or altered. While I don't think we have proof that the Torah has been altered, there is a huge gap from the time it was written. But as for the new Testament, we know that at least small bits have been changed. So Islam's claim is not totally baseless. And after that, we have to investigate if this religion is logical. And all that jazz ahhh
but as for going with the latest, then why not go to Wicca or new age religions? they are far newer. I believe that religion was perfected with Islam and there is no other need for a new religion. I do believe however that throughout time, Islam will be reformed and should be reformed.
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I think investigating new religions, is a good thing. I think we should see If they have proof that it's from God, and if they have better teachings than older religions. I believe all religions are perfected for a specific time. With regards to reformation of Islam, other older religions were also reformed when a newer religion came later. For example Christianity although came after Jewish faith as a new faith, but It came to reform. Actually it was promised in old testimony that a King will come to reform. But Jesus was from a carpenter family and not a King, and He totally changed their religion. Also Jesus has been referred to in Revelations 1:11, as the Alpha and Omega, the First and Last. Likewise He said, in Luke 21:33, “Heaven and earth shall pass away; but My words shall not pass away.” If the words of Jesus were not to be changed, why did Muhammad reveal the Qur’an?
The Jews were required (in Exodus – 31:16-17) to keep the Sabbath as an eternal covenant: “Wherefore the Children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout the generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the Children of Israel forever.” Both Jesus and Muhammad broke the covenant. Does it mean that They were wrong? So, with regards to the “seal of Prophets”, as a Baha’i I believe it has similar reasoning. So, Things are not that simple and there are mysteries!. "Do men think when they say 'We believe' they shall be let alone and not be put to proof?" (29:2)

Baha’u’llah revealed 17,000 works. "Is it not enough for them that We have sent down unto Thee the Book?" (29:51)
“O children of Adam! There shall come to you Messengers from among yourselves, rehearsing My signs to you…” (7:35)

Baha’u’llah in One of His Books, which is called “Book of Certitude” He revealed these mysteries as a proof. You can get that Book from here:



Baha'i Reference Library: The Works of Bahá'u'lláh
 
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bowingtoGod

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InvestigateTruth said:
I think investigating new religions, is a good thing. I think we should see If they have proof that it's from God, and if they have better teachings than older religions. I believe all religions are perfected for a specific time. With regards to reformation of Islam, other older religions were also reformed when a newer religion came later. For example Christianity although came after Jewish faith as a new faith, but It came to reform. Actually it was promised in old testimony that a King will come to reform. But Jesus was from a carpenter family and not a King, and He totally changed their religion. Also Jesus has been referred to in Revelations 1:11, as the Alpha and Omega, the First and Last. Likewise He said, in Luke 21:33, “Heaven and earth shall pass away; but My words shall not pass away.” If the words of Jesus were not to be changed, why did Muhammad reveal the Qur’an?
The Jews were required (in Exodus – 31:16-17) to keep the Sabbath as an eternal covenant: “Wherefore the Children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout the generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the Children of Israel forever.” Both Jesus and Muhammad broke the covenant. Does it mean that They were wrong? So, with regards to the “seal of Prophets”, as a Baha’i I believe it has similar reasoning. So, Things are not that simple and there are mysteries!. "Do men think when they say 'We believe' they shall be let alone and not be put to proof?" (29:2)

Baha’u’llah revealed 17,000 works. "Is it not enough for them that We have sent down unto Thee the Book?" (29:51)
“O children of Adam! There shall come to you Messengers from among yourselves, rehearsing My signs to you…” (7:35)

Baha’u’llah in One of His Books, which is called “Book of Certitude” He revealed these mysteries as a proof. You can get that Book from here:



Baha'i Reference Library: The Works of Bahá'u'lláh
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Jesus (as) changed the religion to correct it. It was perfect before but the people themselves changed it. And Muhammad (saws) did not change the words of Jesus (as), according to Muslim belief, it was the later people after Jesus (as) and before Muhammad (saws).
As for the sabbath I am not sure. But Islam is the religion that according to Muslim belief has been since the beginning of time. It was the religion of Adam (as), Noah (as), Abraham (as), Moses (as), David (as), Jesus (as), and Muhammad (saws). Throughout time people were given different laws true, but the laws of today's Sharia are immutable and eternal. The Qur'an is the last revelation.
As for Muhammad (saws) there is no other Prophet after him. This is affirmed in many places. And we know that the Qur'an was not changed like the Bible or Torah allegedly was, because we have original manuscripts that were written not even a hundred years after his death. And those manuscripts were all agreed upon by the Ummah and the Hafiz that they were 100 % correct. Baha'ullah contradicts not just the Sharia, but also the theology of Islam. Topics such as hell is a good example.
It is always when the religion of Islam is changed, that Allah (swt) sends a prophet to correct the people. But with this Islam it is perfected. The Qur'an is not changed from when it was revealed, nor will it ever be changed. So no need for new scripture. There will be reformers that will come and bring us back to true Islam, but they will not create new laws or change theology. They will, like the Jews believe the Messiah will for the Torah, will use the Qur'an and not their own words.
 
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InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

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bowingtoGod said:
Jesus (as) changed the religion to correct it. It was perfect before but the people themselves changed it. And Muhammad (saws) did not change the words of Jesus (as), according to Muslim belief, it was the later people after Jesus (as) and before Muhammad (saws).
As for the sabbath I am not sure. But Islam is the religion that according to Muslim belief has been since the beginning of time. It was the religion of Adam (as), Noah (as), Abraham (as), Moses (as), David (as), Jesus (as), and Muhammad (saws). Throughout time people were given different laws true, but the laws of today's Sharia are immutable and eternal. The Qur'an is the last revelation.
As for Muhammad (saws) there is no other Prophet after him. This is affirmed in many places. And we know that the Qur'an was not changed like the Bible or Torah allegedly was, because we have original manuscripts that were written not even a hundred years after his death. And those manuscripts were all agreed upon by the Ummah and the Hafiz that they were 100 % correct. Baha'ullah contradicts not just the Sharia, but also the theology of Islam. Topics such as hell is a good example.
It is always when the religion of Islam is changed, that Allah (swt) sends a prophet to correct the people. But with this Islam it is perfected. The Qur'an is not changed from when it was revealed, nor will it ever be changed. So no need for new scripture. There will be reformers that will come and bring us back to true Islam, but they will not create new laws or change theology. They will, like the Jews believe the Messiah will for the Torah, will use the Qur'an and not their own words.
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The reason that Baha’u’llah changed many laws of Islam, is because some of those laws are not suitable for this age. An example of the laws that He abolished is the law of holy war, and He ordered world peace. Another example is the law regarding punishing thief, which in Islam it’s cutting hand, but in Baha’i faith it’s not a physical punishment. You can refer to the Baha’i laws in the Most Holy Book.
I wouldn’t have problem with the change in laws, as even Christianity abolished some of the laws of Jews. Specially if we’d believe that “Verily God doeth whatsoever He willeth, and ordaineth whatsoever He pleaseth” then there shouldn’t be any complains with that regard.

We believe the reason that Muslims think that there won’t come any religion after Islam, It’s mostly related to the fact that commentators of Qur’an didn’t interpret Quran correctly. Even though, God had already warned them that “None knows it’s interpretation, but God”( 3:7), but they still interpreted Quran based on their own understanding. Rather they should have waited for the “Day when it’s interpretation shall come” (7:53). So, now that Baha’u’llah have given correct interpretation and fulfilled that promise, Muslims are either not aware of that or can’t believe. In Quran it does say only in one instance that Muhammad is the seal of prophets. But this is also one of those instances that commentators of Quran misinterpreted. As there is a figurative meaning for it and not a literal meaning. There are others “sayings” (Hadith), but they are not reliable as they are not part of Quran, and can be made-up by others to mislead.
As regards to Hell, Baha’u’llah confirms that there is life after death, but it’s spiritual. Again, “Hell” is just another instance that commentators of Quran didn’t understand it’s true meaning. Why would God, who is kind and loving put His own creatures in a Fire and torture them?! To me does not make any sense.
 
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bowingtoGod

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As for holy war I think you are talking about Jihad. Jihad does not mean holy war. It first means, a spiritual struggle of the heart, and then a physical struggle but only in self defense. But the Qur'an and the hadiths tell us that war will be all the way up to the day of Judgement. There will never cease to be war. As for the cutting hand IDK about that one.
Jesus (as) abrogating the Jewish law is another thing, something that I don't really feel like discussing (it would be soooooo long)
And that is true that laws can change, but never the spirit of the law.
As for Surah Al Imran verse 7, that can be interpreted in a number of ways. The Sunnis interpret it the way you did, that known will know the meaning except God. And the Sufi and Shia interpret it as "none will know its hidden meaning except God and those founded with well knowledge"
But even then, it will be God who knows, and not a man.
And it isn't like Islam is just another religion. Islam is THE religion of Allah. Let us say that there would be a Prophet after Muhammad (saws). He would presumably still use the title Islam and the people would be Muslims.
For Surah Al Araf Verse 50 I think you meant to quote something else.
Hellfire and Paradise are described many times in the Qur'an and hadith that have been authenticated. It will be as it says it is. There will be fire. And who knows why God would do that? I don't know why either and truthfully that does make me sad. But if that is the case, that you believe a Prophet could have come after Muhammad (saws), then why not become Ahmadiyyah?
 
InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

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Speaking generally, and more briefly without going further to details, I think it's been always the case when a new religion came, the followers of older religions, clinging to certain passages of their Book and sayings, have doubted and disbelieved the later revelation.
 
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bowingtoGod

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I just realized how off topic we went... lol
Well anyways Investigate Truth. I support the Baha'i rights and wish that they will be liberated from the Iranian government. I am sorry if I offended you, I just got defensive as I felt my religion was under attack. I now realize that was not the case, and yet I was acting that way to you. I apologize :(
 
GabrielWithoutWings

GabrielWithoutWings

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I thought I recognized her from the way she posts.

She's PaladinGirl from Christianforums. She has borderline personality disorder and changes her faith every other hour.

You guys are going to have to be very gentle with her.
 
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cynic2005

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Shes seems pretty normal to me. Maybe we should let her be what she wants to be and stop treating her like she has some abnormality. So what if she changes religion every other hour. I know a psychotherapist who has an insatiable need to pull her hair out. I'm not telling you my quirks, but abnormal is the norm, last time I checked.
 
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ZooGirl02

ZooGirl02

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cynic2005 said:
Shes seems pretty normal to me. Maybe we should let her be what she wants to be and stop treating her like she has some abnormality. So what if she changes religion every other hour. I know a psychotherapist who has an insatiable need to pull her hair out. I'm not telling you my quirks, but abnormal is the norm, last time I checked.
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Thanks for defending me Cynic.

Right now I do identify as Catholic but I am currently in the process of exploring other religions again. I am particularly interested in the Eastern/Asian religions, especially the ones that have multiple deities. I don't care if they consider themselves to be henotheistic, polytheistic, or what, I just like the ones with multiple deities for some reason. And yes, I know that is in contradiction to the Catholic belief in monotheism. I am also particularly interested in the Eastern and Asian religions that have rituals that include things like incense, statues, and such. I was looking into Hinduism earlier but I just don't know. I don't really like the fact that the caste system used to be so common amongst the Hindus.
 
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Wessexman

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This is a reply to the OP, I have not read all the thread and I apologise if I missed something like you already choosing a faith.

Zoogirl are you familiar with several interesting modern spiritual thinkers; Frithjof Schuon, Rene Guenon, Henry Corbin and Dr. Seyyed Nasr? They are uncompromising in many ways, but they agree that there are a plurality of paths to God and you may find them of interest.
 
ZooGirl02

ZooGirl02

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Wessexman said:
This is a reply to the OP, I have not read all the thread and I apologise if I missed something like you already choosing a faith.

Zoogirl are you familiar with several interesting modern spiritual thinkers; Frithjof Schuon, Rene Guenon, Henry Corbin and Dr. Seyyed Nasr? They are uncompromising in many ways, but they agree that there are a plurality of paths to God and you may find them of interest.
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Well, I just did a little research on each of them. Please know that I probably did not even scratch the surface as to what type of religion or philosophy that they were in to. That said, a common thing that I can across while doing my quick research is that these people seemed to have taught Islamic Studies in colleges and such. Could you possibly tell me more about these people and what they have in common?
 
ZooGirl02

ZooGirl02

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Wessexman said:
The first two and last one are members of the Traditionalist/Perennialist movement and propound the Perennial Philosophy. Henry Corbin is a fellow traveler and quite similar but not exactly so, his thesis is more limited and moderate. Schuon explains their perspective here:

http://worldwisdom.com/public/viewp...e_Perennial_Philosophy-by_Frithjof_Schuon.pdf
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Ah okay thanks Wessexman. Anyway, I did a little bit of reading on the link that you provided and I honestly don't think that this philosophy is for me. Anyway, after having a nap, I am now thinking more clearly and I think I still want to stick with Catholicism. Thanks anyway!
 
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