I have no use for God

[LuisDantas]

Yeah. When people jump into the middle of a conversation have this kind of problem. Shed it.

I honestly can't decide whether you sincerely don't understand what you are discussing or you just want real hard to behave as if you did.

 

[Sheldon]

At this moment, I have no use for doctors. I’ll be sure to consult one if I fall sick though.

Though of course the efficacy of medicine and expertise of doctors can be objectively evidenced.

As can the efficacy of faith, though probably not to your satisfaction

I am dubious, since you would need to define how you are claiming faith is efficacious, but faith of course is not a deity, which was the context.

Sheldon, as it appears you have set your heart and mind against all possibility of God.

My heart is a pump made of muscle, and my mind weighs claims on the how much objective evidence supports them. Have you set your "heart" and mind against all the deities you disbelieve? Maybe your biased faith is unable to view this objectively.

Anyone who has honestly read my posts on here would know I have never claimed a deity is impossible, only pointed out that there is no objective evidence a deity is even possible, but by all means demonstrate some.

 

[Sheldon]

All experiences are subjective Sheldon,

You keep making the same error over and over again, all human experiences must have an element of subjectivity, but all claims and beliefs are not equally subjective. humans have created methods for removing as much subjectivity as we can, and then there's faith, which indulges solely subjective beliefs for which no objective can be demonstrated at all. They both serve their purpose, but in very different ways. Faith is efficacious in helping people believe what they need to, medicine and doctors are efficacious because it is subject to objective and critical scrutiny.

 

[Sheldon]

Brahma, I have certainly not set my mind against, no. That sounds an awful lot to me like another way of saying God. Odin, either as an avatar of Brahma or a personification of God, isn’t something I can personally relate to, but if others can I say good luck them.

Well of course, since a anything can be believed using entirely subjective methods like faith, literally anything. The more objective evidence we demand the harder it becomes to demonstrate the validity of any claim.

If anyone is desperate to believe something, then of course they set the bar as low as is necessary.

 

[firedragon]

I honestly can't decide whether you sincerely don't understand what you are discussing or you just want real hard to behave as if you did.

Projection.

 

[Windwalker]

Honesty, I felt "God" or whatever, perhaps just my subconscious mind, led me down a path. Now here I am. I don't need to be led anymore.
If God exists, they are free to spend their time on those who still need it.

What path, if I may ask?

 

[LuisDantas]

Projection.

No, just blunt honesty.

 

[firedragon]

No, just blunt honesty.

Projection.

 

[Nakosis]

What path, if I may ask?

Several. I thought at the time I was being led to discover these different beliefs.
Christianity
Gnosticism
Hindu
Hare Krishna
Scientology
Buddhism
Druidism
My path became very eclectic.

 

[Nakosis]

Yeah, well, seeing that he maintains your existence, I think you actually need him very badly..

How does God maintain my existence?

 

[Nakosis]

You go to hospital doctors, so you are as needy as I am. Just a different doctor

Well, I surrendered to Sai Baba (God) ca. 30 years ago, telling Him "If you are God, I surrender to you and you can do with me as you think is best. And then I surrender my health problems into your hands, you be my doctor"

Good part is that my doctor costs nothing.
No need for covid jabs is a plus too

I did not say "I worry".

I just need Sai Baba His help, without it I would be dead now. And I would have had lots of pain; with my kidney trouble, painkillers are not a good option.

I guess you use pain meds if needed. Well that luxury I don't have

I'm in constant pain. I've just learn how to deal with it. Painkillers don't work for me for long.
Some of pain is mental attitude. I find ways to distract myself from the pain, though truthfully sometimes it isn't pleasant.

 

[RestlessSoul]

How does God maintain my existence?

God, the universe, or something maintains your existence. Surely you don’t think you’re doing it all yourself, independently of all that’s around you?

 

[RestlessSoul]

I'm in constant pain. I've just learn how to deal with it. Painkillers don't work for me for long.
Some of pain is mental attitude. I find ways to distract myself from the pain, though truthfully sometimes it isn't pleasant.

Sorry to hear that

 

[Nakosis]

God, the universe, or something maintains your existence. Surely you don’t think you’re doing it all yourself, independently of all that’s around you?

I understand enough of the physics that keeps the universe in motion. I don't know that anything beyond that is needed.

 

[Nakosis]

No they cant. At least for as long as it lasts.

I was a theist once myself, so I know just how incredibly strong that beliefs can be. For some, I'd wager its probably impossible to break out of that mental hold.

Yes, well I came to accept my own ignorance about "God".
Thought it rather silly to make any claim about something I really knew nothing about.
Still fascinates me people have a certainty about their own knowledge of the "Christian" God.
Though they can't seem to agree amongst themselves much.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I understand enough of the physics that keeps the universe in motion. I don't know that anything beyond that is needed.

We’re all part of something greater than ourselves, that’s the point; an underlying fundamental reality, “something deeply hidden”,* which directs and unifies all unfolding phenomena. Whether we conceive of that thing as God, Brahma, or Schrodinger’s equation, depends mostly on personal perspective imo.

*Einstein’s words.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes, well I came to accept my own ignorance about "God".
Thought it rather silly to make any claim about something I really knew nothing about.
Still fascinates me people have a certainty about their own knowledge of the "Christian" God.
Though they can't seem to agree amongst themselves much.

It was largely because of those disagreements and confusion that told me there is really no actual God communicating with anybody at all.

 

[stvdv]

I'm in constant pain. I've just learn how to deal with it. Painkillers don't work for me for long.
Some of pain is mental attitude. I find ways to distract myself from the pain, though truthfully sometimes it isn't pleasant.

Sorry to hear that

 

[vulcanlogician]

We’re all part of something greater than ourselves, that’s the point; an underlying fundamental reality, “something deeply hidden”,* which directs and unifies all unfolding phenomena. Whether we conceive of that thing as God, Brahma, or Schrodinger’s equation, depends mostly on personal perspective imo.

*Einstein’s words.

I don't take issue with the fact that there is "something deeply hidden."

But (since it's so deeply hidden and all) it gets a little fishy when people start making claims about it.

I'm fine with the worship/commitment aspects of religion. If you have a relationship with a being I can't detect, who am I to interfere? But if you start making claims (and drawing further conclusions from those claims) that's when I'm tempted to say "not so fast."

 

[Wildswanderer]

How does God maintain my existence?

By maintaining all of reality. In him, we live and move and have our being.