I have some deep question about God, help!

[Trailblazer]

What reason and logic? You keep on saying there is objective evidence but you haven't said what, now there's reason and logic but haven't set it out.

The reason and logic is used to assess the basic theology of the religion and determine if it makes sense to you. For example, does Progressive Revelation make sense to you? Is it logical?

The objective evidence is everything that surrounds the Revelation of Baha’u’llah, including who He was as a Person (His character); His mission on earth; the history of His Cause, from the time He appeared moving forward; the scriptures that He wrote; what His authorized Interpreter wrote; what others have written about the Baha’i Faith; the Bible prophecies that He fulfilled, as well as prophecies of other religions that He fulfilled; predictions He made that have come to pass; the religion that He established (followers) all over the world and what they have done and are doing now.

Baha’u’llah is not a clear message from any god. Many people haven't even heard of it. Anyway it's just another person claiming to be a messenger. There cannot be and free will involved unless everybody knows that the message is genuine - clearly most people don't think it is.

Free will is a nonsense concept with respect to an omnipotent, omniscient creator, anyway.

The fact that many people have not heard of it does not mean it is not clear. The fact that many people claimed to be messengers of God but weren’t does not mean that Baha’u’llah wasn’t.

First we investigate Baha’u’llah and then we use free will to choose to believe in Him IF what we investigated indicates to us that He was a Messenger of God. .

God gave us free will so we would be free to act on our own behalf. The fact that God is omnipotent and omniscient has nothing to do with that. God could override our free will if He wanted to but He doesn’t. God knows what we will do before we do it but God does not cause us to do it.

So you keep claiming - where is the evidence of these original messages and how do you know they are the originals?

We really do not have any original scriptures of any religions prior to the Baha’i Faith and that is part of the problem, so all we can do is read what most likely to be the sayings of those Prophets/Messengers. Buddhists have the Sutras, Hindus the Gita, Jews the Torah, Christians the Bible, Muslims the Qur’an, etc.

n what way exactly? We are back to the same question of why a god would hide its message in one of the many religions. Does it really expect everyone on the planet to look in detail at every different religion, cult, and sect? Life's too short.

God did not hide it in just one religion, the message is in all the major religions, but only one religion is the current one because religious dispensations are always abrogated when a new Messenger of God appears. As such, Baha’u’llah abrogated the dispensation of Muhammad.

The upshot of this is that there is no need to look at all the older Messengers/religions because they are not pertinent to the present time in history. Their spiritual verities are just as true as ever, but their social teachings and laws are out of date and their message is not the message for this day. Their messages were needed in past ages, but they are not needed now because those religions already accomplished what was necessary in past ages. Baha’u’llah brought a new message, the oneness of mankind and world unity, and that is what humanity needs to focus on during His dispensation. Humanity evolves and the world we live in changes over time and that is why we need new Messengers and new religions in every age.

But (if this god exists) the confusion is fundamentally its fault for not providing a clear message. Blaming people for not rooting through every religion on the planet to see if they may be wrong and some other faith may be right, is unjust and unfair.

God did provide a clear message through Baha’u’llah. You cannot blame God if more people do not know about it. At most you can blame the Baha’is for not getting the message out to more people, but once you have that message that ball is in your court, because God considers it your responsibility to investigate it. That is the best God can do because God is not going to come swooping down and tell you what to believe.

 

[Trailblazer]

There is a parallel description of the cycles - again stemming from over 50 centuries ago -

Wikipedia - Yuga cycles

Thanks, that would make sense since truth is one and indivisible and it comes from many sources.

 

[Trailblazer]

If I may, what is your evidence that Bahá'u'lláh was in fact a prophet of our Creator and that the Aqdas is, like the Holy Bible, truly the Word of God?

There is a lot of evidence, but I usually just post the different categories of evidence, and then if people have questions I can answer those, or if people want to know where to look up information I can post the websites. It is so much easier now than when I became a Baha'i in 1970... Back then all we had were books. The Aqdas was not even translated into English until 1992, as I recall.

The evidence that indicates that Baha’u’llah was a true Messenger from God (Prophet) is as follows:

1. What He was like as a person (His character);
2. What He did during His mission on earth;
3. The history of His Cause, from the time He appeared moving forward
4. The scriptures that were attributed to Him or scriptures that He wrote;
5. What others have written about Him;
6. ·The Bible prophecies that He fulfilled by His coming,
7. The prophecies of other religions that He fulfilled by His coming
8. The predictions He made that have come to pass;
9. The religion that He established (followers), what they have done and are doing now.

There is verifiable evidence of everything I listed above.

 

[Maximilian]

The predictions He made that have come to pass

To what specific prophecies are you alluding to and what concrete evidence do you have that they were actually fulfilled?

 

[Maximilian]

·The Bible prophecies that He fulfilled by His coming,

What biblical prophecies explicitly prophesied the coming of Baha’u’llah?

 

[Trailblazer]

"The predictions He made that have come to pass."
To what specific prophecies are you alluding to and what concrete evidence do you have that they were actually fulfilled?

To be clear, the predictions that Baha'u'llah made are not the same as the prophecies from the Bible and other religions that were fulfilled by the Coming of Baha'u'llah.

For those who care about predictions, in this book is a list of 30 things that Baha’u’llah predicted that actually came to pass:
The Challenge of Baha'u'llah - PROOFS OF THE BAHA'I REVELATION

The whole book is not about the predictions. This book explains part of the basis for one man’s belief, other proofs. In the Introduction, he explains the process of coming to a belief in any religion.

 

[Trailblazer]

"The Bible prophecies that He fulfilled by His coming,"
What biblical prophecies explicitly prophesied the coming of Baha’u’llah?

The Bible prophecies and how Baha'u'llah fulfilled them are covered in this book:
William Sears, Thief in the Night

There are other books, websites and u-tube videos that explain how the Bible prophecies were fulfilled. I can post a brief video about The Return of Christ if you are interested.

 

[Maximilian]

To be clear, the predictions that Baha'u'llah made are not the same as the prophecies from the Bible and other religions that were fulfilled by the Coming of Baha'u'llah.

For those who care about predictions, in this book is a list of 30 things that Baha’u’llah predicted that actually came to pass:
The Challenge of Baha'u'llah - PROOFS OF THE BAHA'I REVELATION

The whole book is not about the predictions. This book explains part of the basis for one man’s belief, other proofs. In the Introduction, he explains the process of coming to a belief in any religion.

Can you highlight some of the most prominent prophecies he made which were actually fulfilled?

 

[Maximilian]

The Bible prophecies and how Baha'u'llah fulfilled them are covered in this book:
William Sears, Thief in the Night

There are other books, websites and u-tube videos that explain how the Bible prophecies were fulfilled. I can post a brief video about The Return of Christ if you are interested.

Can you reference a few of the most outstanding biblical prophecies which were fulfilled in Baha'u'llah?

 

[ManSinha]

According to certain estimates, some 24,000,000 people from the Soviet Union were killed during WW II. Yet, the World Health Organization informs us that an average of 56,000,000 children were murdered by their mothers every single year between 2010 and 2014.

How can you claim, then, that a mother is a prime example of love?

Please do not include abortion in this - talk about live births and mothers taking care of children that they have given birth to - abortion is a separate issue - I have dealt with my share of those who obtain one and suffice it to say - in an unscientific survey - most do not consider themselves mothers - that negates your characterization of them as such

 

[Trailblazer]

Can you highlight some of the most prominent prophecies he made which were actually fulfilled?

I guess you are referring to the predictions He made that came to pass? Keep in mind that He did not make these predictions as a way to proving He was a Prophet/Messenger of God. They were just predictions, and some of them were warnings to kings and rulers as to what would happen to them and their empires if they did not recognize Him and heed His call. For example:

Baha'u'llah predicted the fall of many of the kings and rulers of the world for having rejected Him, and they fell from power shortly thereafter. For example, here is an excerpt from a longer Tablet to Napoleon III written in 1869... This is the second Tablet to Napoleon III.

For what thou hast done, thy kingdom shall be thrown into confusion, and thine empire shall pass from thine hands, as a punishment for that which thou hast wrought. Then wilt thou know how thou hast plainly erred. Commotions shall seize all the people in that land, unless thou arisest to help this Cause, and followest Him Who is the Spirit of God (Jesus Christ) in this, the Straight Path. Hath thy pomp made thee proud? By My Life! It shall not endure; nay, it shall soon pass away, unless thou holdest fast by this firm Cord.
Tablet to Napoleon III, Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 20-21

In July 1870, Napoleon entered the Franco-Prussian War without allies and with inferior military forces. The French army was rapidly defeated and Napoleon III was captured at the Battle of Sedan.
Napoleon III - Wikipedia

In this Tablet to Kaiser Wilhelm I, Baha’u’llah warned him that what happened to Napoleon III would also be his fate if the Kaiser rejected Him. Baha’u’llah envisioned what would happen if the Kaiser turned away, which is why He referred to WWI and WWII at the end of the Tablet.

O KING of Berlin! Give ear unto the Voice calling from this manifest Temple: Verily, there is none other God but Me, the Everlasting, the Peerless, the Ancient of Days. Take heed lest pride debar thee from recognizing the Dayspring of Divine Revelation, lest earthly desires shut thee out, as by a veil, from the Lord of the Throne above and of the earth below. Thus counselleth thee the Pen of the Most High. He, verily, is the Most Gracious, the All-Bountiful. Do thou remember the one whose power transcended thy power (Napoleon III), and whose station excelled thy station. Where is he? Whither are gone the things he possessed? Take warning, and be not of them that are fast asleep. He it was who cast the Tablet of God behind him, when We made known unto him what the hosts of tyranny had caused Us to suffer. Wherefore, disgrace assailed him from all sides, and he went down to dust in great loss. Think deeply, O King, concerning him, and concerning them who, like unto thee, have conquered cities and ruled over men. The All-Merciful brought them down from their palaces to their graves. Be warned, be of them who reflect… O banks of the Rhine! We have seen you covered with gore, inasmuch as the swords of retribution were drawn against you; and you shall have another turn. And We hear the lamentations of Berlin, though she be today in conspicuous glory.
Tablet to Kaiser Wilhelm I from Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh

 

[Trailblazer]

Can you reference a few of the most outstanding biblical prophecies which were fulfilled in Baha'u'llah?

Many of the OT and NT prophecies are highlighted in this video.
It is only 10 minutes long but it covers a lot of ground.

 

[Trailblazer]

According to certain estimates, some 24,000,000 people from the Soviet Union were killed during WW II. Yet, the World Health Organization informs us that an average of 56,000,000 children were murdered by their mothers every single year between 2010 and 2014.

How can you claim, then, that a mother is a prime example of love?

If I may, how is unsafe abortion any different from safe abortion?
A child is still killed.

 

[Maximilian]

Many of the OT and NT prophecies are highlighted in this video.
It is only 10 minutes long but it covers a lot of ground.

Does this mean you cannot yourself reference a few of the most outstanding biblical prophecies which were fulfilled in Baha'u'llah?

 

[Maximilian]

If I may, how is unsafe abortion any different from safe abortion?
A child is still killed.

Exactly. 56,000,000 children are murdered by their mothers annually yet you hold mothers up as the living embodiment of love . . .

 

[JChnsc19]

@A94, some people think that God created Satan, but what I got from my study of the Bible, is that God created thousands of spirit beings, all good.
One of them rebelled - opposing and slandering God, earning the name Satan, which means Resister, or Opposer, and Devil, which means slanderer.
That would mean that the angel chose to become Satan

The way I see it, it's like a boy born to his parents. If after growing up, the boy chose to be a drug pusher, we would not say the mother bore, or gave birth to a drug pusher. We know she gave birth to a baby boy.
So God created an angel - not Satan. The angel made himself Satan.

Some believe the god of the Bible made all beings predestined. So god didn’t make Satan knowing what the outcome would be?

 

[Trailblazer]

Does this mean you cannot yourself reference a few of the most outstanding biblical prophecies which were fulfilled in Baha'u'llah?

No, it does not mean that... I can but I do not have any idea what you mean by outstanding. I hope you realize how many prophecies there are... Do you want OT or NT? Give me some idea what you are interested in and I can post some.

 

[Trailblazer]

Exactly. 56,000,000 children are murdered by their mothers annually yet you hold mothers up as the living embodiment of love . . .

I do not hold mothers up as the living embodiment of love. That was the other poster you were posting to.
God is the embodiment of love. Jesus was also.

So can you answer my question about abortion or is that too personal?

 

[Maximilian]

Please do not include abortion in this - talk about live births and mothers taking care of children that they have given birth to - abortion is a separate issue - I have dealt with my share of those who obtain one and suffice it to say - in an unscientific survey - most do not consider themselves mothers - that negates your characterization of them as such

And feelings are not facts.

Any woman who gets pregnant becomes a mother perforce.If she kills her child then she commits murder. Yet you want to hold mothers up as the embodiment of love?

 

[Maximilian]

No, it does not mean that... I can but I do not have any idea what you mean by outstanding. I hope you realize how many prophecies there are... Do you want OT or NT? Give me some idea what you are interested in and I can post some.

Outstanding : marked by eminence and distinction

Do you have any biblical prophecies fulfilled in Baha'u'llah that fit that description? Or is it all just eisegesis?