I have to be honest, Islam freaks me out

[Steve Love]

I live in an area of London with a lot of muslims and I see a lot of cars with the slogan "Love of all, hatred for none" or something along those lines.

Now I assumed this was a key teaching of your prophet Mohammed. This is completely at odds with the tone of the protesting seen in australia and across the world.

This cannot be put down to Islamic extremeists. This is the tone of the faith that rings out.
I am extremely offended by the reaction to this movie and there is no way to justify the reaction to it.

Mob rules, anti intelectualism, unenlightenment, call it what you want, but after the display of religious intolerance shown by muslins around the world, there needs to be some clarification from your religious leaders as to the true intentions of the Islamic faith.

Bring back love of all and hatred for none.

 

[Music]

Let me make something crystal clear. I share the streets of Melbourne with a lot of muslim people. If I hear a muslim stating that anyone who insults the prophet must be beheaded, then I am put on notice that my behaviour , my conversation, my artworks, must be approved of by Islamists unless I want to risk being the victim of a ritual beheading.


So Nooj and Music, do you feel that I am obliged by the quran to modify my behaviour ? Is it OK that I should feel under threat of lethal force if I do not cooperate with the Islamist agenda ?

Is that not what the 'protestors' were communicating to me ?

Matthew 5:39.

 

[Madhuri]

Hurting people is wrong, and I have always maintained that. But protests that do not involve violence ... ?

This whole thread has been about anger at the violence committed.
Nobody is offended by simple protesting.
Protesting is our right. Violence is not.

 

[Music]

This whole thread has been about anger at the violence committed.
Nobody is offended by simple protesting.
Protesting is our right. Violence is not.

What violence? Please be specific.

 

[Madhuri]

What violence? Please be specific.

Read the article.

 

[Music]

Read the article.

You mean the violence perpetrated by the police?

 

[Steve Love]

You wish to have the protestors arrested because you believe they incite people to violence. But since your leaders are causing actual violence through their illegal wars, do you hold them to the same standard?

You do realise that all these people are calling for fatal justice over a very poorly made film, which should not and cannot be taken seriously?

You understand the concept of an eye for an eye right?
If your reaction is dissproportionate then you should expect a reaction to that.
An exponential spiral of revenge and hatred.

Get out of the playground!

 

[apophenia]

You wish to have the protestors arrested because you believe they incite people to violence. But since your leaders are causing actual violence through their illegal wars, do you hold them to the same standard?

You aren't paying attention. I was one of those tens of thousands of Australians who protested against the Iraq war.

And you are still evading and answering with diversions.

I see you are quoting Mathew at me now. I am not a christian. And you are not answering questions straightforwardly, so clearly you have just been defeated in debate.

 

[Madhuri]

You mean the violence perpetrated by the police?

No, I mean the attacks on the police. You do realise that police only retaliated after they were attacked, right?

 

[Music]

No, I mean the attacks on the police. You do realise that police only retaliated after they were attacked, right?

How do you know? Were you there? Did it occur to you that maybe it was the other way around?

 

[9Westy9]

Hurting people is wrong, and I have always maintained that. But protests that do not involve violence ... ?

the protests in Sydney did involve violence though. If the protest from members of the Islamic community had not been violent we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Also if you want to be specific about the violence

Some protesters allegedly threw glass bottles and other missiles at police, forcing officers to use capsicum spray during the violence that led to six police and 17 others being injured.

NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell said he was “horrified” by the street battles and clashes with police yesterday.

The Australian

Carrying signs that read: “Obama, Obama, we like Osama” and “Behead All Those Who Insult the Prophet,” hundreds of protesters gathered on the steps of the U.S. consulate in Sydney.
The demonstration turned violent after protesters were pushed away from the building.

Authorities used tear gas and police dogs to disperse protesters who threw bottles and shoes, the latter act considered a grave insult among Muslims. Six police officers were injured and eight people were arrested, Sydney police said. Seventeen people were treated for effects of pepper spray used by police.

Protesters dispersed in Cairo; fury over anti-Islam film hits Australia | FOX13Now.com

 

[Music]

You aren't paying attention. I was one of those tens of thousands of Australians who protested against the Iraq war.

And you are still evading and answering with diversions.

I see you are quoting Mathew at me now. I am not a christian. And you are not answering questions straightforwardly, so clearly you have just been defeated in debate.

You asked for suggestions, and I quoted Matthew because it seemed relevant. You don't have to be a Christian to be forgiving. That's the point I was trying to make, but you seem bent upon taking an aggressive stance.

 

[Music]

the protests in Sydney did involve violence though. If the protest from members of the Islamic community had not been violent we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Also if you want to be specific about the violence





The Australian





Protesters dispersed in Cairo; fury over anti-Islam film hits Australia | FOX13Now.com

Read #210. Thanks.

 

[Madhuri]

How do you know? Were you there? Did it occur to you that maybe it was the other way around?

There are plenty of videos showing what happened. Watch this for example:
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Furthermore, Muslim leaders in Australia have condemned the behaviour of the extreme individuals who made the protest violent and some Muslims who were gathered at the protest said it was meant to be peaceful but that a minority of Muslims had ruined it.

At least we are hearing that it is a minority who are extreme.

 

[9Westy9]

Read #210. Thanks.

which is more reasonable. The protesters attacked the police or the police attacked the protesters? Keep in mind that the police are at protests several times a year where no violence occurs at all.

 

[apophenia]

You asked for suggestions, and I quoted Matthew because it seemed relevant. You don't have to be a Christian to be forgiving. That's the point I was trying to make, but you seem bent upon taking an aggressive stance.

Diversion, plus unjustifiable accusation, and a frankly silly attempt to take the high moral ground. You know your apologism for violence and incitement to terrorism is defeated. So do I.

Goodnight.

 

[Madhuri]

which is more reasonable. The protesters attacked the police or the police attacked the protesters? Keep in mind that the police are at protests several times a year where no violence occurs at all.

There are some who are saying that the police attacked first but the videos clearly show that things were being thrown at police who were blocking some streets and that the protesters were trying to force their way through to the American embassy that police were protecting. They used pepper spray to stop them advancing (violently too, according to the video footage). And finally pepper spray was used as angry protesters tried to rush into Hyde park.

I don't think there is anything unclear about what happened. Many witnesses. Many videos. Both police and protesters injured. And also the Muslims who spoke with disappointment about the extreme behaviour of some other Muslims that caused the event to turn to violence.

 

[Music]

Diversion, plus unjustifiable accusation, and a frankly silly attempt to take the high moral ground. You know your apologism for violence and incitement to terrorism is defeated. So do I.

Goodnight.

I have always maintained my stance against violence, so I am not sure why you'd lie about it.

 

[Music]

There are plenty of videos showing what happened. Watch this for example:
Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Furthermore, Muslim leaders in Australia have condemned the behaviour of the extreme individuals who made the protest violent and some Muslims who were gathered at the protest said it was meant to be peaceful but that a minority of Muslims had ruined it.

At least we are hearing that it is a minority who are extreme.

You believe it's a small minority that caused problems, and yet Islam freaks you out going by the thread title. See what I mean? It is so easy to become prejudiced against an entire religion or community even while believing that only a small minority is responsible. This is the power of propaganda, and you're an unfortunate victim (like most people in this thread).

 

[Madhuri]

You believe it's a small minority that caused problems, and yet Islam freaks you out going by the thread title. See what I mean? It is so easy to become prejudiced against an entire religion or community even while believing that only a small minority is responsible. This is the power of propaganda, and you're an unfortunate victim (like most people in this thread).

But why are we seeing it at all? It freaks me out because I don't see any other groups walking around my neighborhoods threatening violence. Not even the craziest Christians. In my country, the main religious group that openly expresses hate for the rest of us are Muslims.