I just saw this ridiculous commercial for the 2nd time:

[Subduction Zone]

No. I am not-- I am going by your silly bible's dimensional figures.

We KNOW what a cubit used to be-- so it's a simple matter to calculate these things.

The ark? AS WRITTEN? Simply does not work if made of wood. .

Noah had three sons. There were eight people on the Ark: Noah, his three sons, and their wives. Otherwise excellent post.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh look! Another propaganda video desperately ignoring reality, and trying to brainwash children and child-like adults.

Sad.

I like to go to YouTube to see the video for myself and to see the responses to it. Like many false videos this one had comments disabled. Is there any wonder why?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I suggest you research large wooden ships.

Do you consider this a small wooden ship?

The longest wooden ship ever built was the six-masted New England gaff schooner Wyoming. It had a "total length" of 137 metres (449 ft) (measured from tip of jib boom (30 metres) to tip of spanker boom (27 metres) and a "length on deck" of 107 m (351 ft).

Do you have any figures on how large a crew was needed, to man the bilge pumps?

Or did they use a steam engine instead?

ALL wooden ships/boats leak water (unless they are modern, covered with fiberglas or similar). That is why they all require bilge pumps.

This is common ship-building knowledge.

But here is a FACT: The larger the ship? The faster the water comes in-- at about 400+ feet? The water coming is is so great, that you need a separate crew JUST for the bilge pumps, or else you need a modern system, such as a steam or diesel engine.

It's due to a lot of reasons, but the volume coming in increases faster than the length of the ship-- by a lot.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Noah had three sons. There were eight people on the Ark: Noah, his three sons, and their wives. Otherwise excellent post.

Thanks! I always forget how many there were supposed to be in that very VERY silly myth.

Can you believe it? A man 600 years old with so few children?

LMAO!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

How does that saying go again...? "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still".

You can't change a mind set in concrete. If people want to hate God, I think we should let them.

Irony duly noted. Especially what I put in bold...

It would appear that your god continues to be an utter and complete failure ....

... to be convincing to anyone who is awake and paying attention.

P.S. We don't hate your god. We don't believe in your god.

We also don't hate Unicorns, the Easter Bunny or Santa.

Being an atheist among True Believers™ is like being the only kid in 3rd grade that knows there is no Santa Claus, but having to wait for everyone else to grow up.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks! I always forget how many there were supposed to be in that very VERY silly myth.

Can you believe it? A man 600 years old with so few children?

LMAO!

at that age he would probably have severe ED, and with no Viagra he would be e been SOL (Poop Out of Luck).

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

What exactly would a bottle neck in any species show genetically?

It would show up in the DNA-- in that ERV's and other tags in the genetic codes, would all be exactly the same, at the time of the bottleneck.

Especially in the mitochondrial DNA, which does not vary as quickly as the nuclear DNA, and strictly comes from the mother (no mitochondrial DNA in sperm)

If you don't know what ERV's are? You should-- if you are going to discuss genetic coding evidence.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You're right, Deeje.

Although I wouldn't classify all of them as hating God...but they certainly don't respect the Bible.

I'm going to leave this thread alone, and post on your old thread, about the Flood. I'll "resurrect" it, lol.

Atheists do not hate your god. Atheists do not believe in your god.

Do you hate Voldemort or Dr Smith from Lost In Space? No? There you go.

As for your bible? It is unworthy of respect. Mainly due to the fact that it has inspired so much wanton evil down through history.

Some of the most recent being in US history, when Bible-inspired Manifest Destiny decimated thousands of Native Americans because "god willed it"

Or Slavery in the US South, because the bible teaches it's worshipers how to care for their slaves-- it's all legal, just so long as you don't beat them to death-- they must live a day or two, THEN die, for the Bible's Stamp Of Approval©.

So yeah. We do not respect your ugly book from the Bronze Age, when Life Was Short, Brutish and Nasty, and Women were Property of Men.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Honestly...does it appear 'young' to you? Geologically speaking, that is?

The whole range does. So do the Alps, and many other ranges.

The features they have, are sharp and clearly defined. If they were "millions of years" old, the extreme elements they endure would have ensured they'd be rounded stumps by now!

Dude! The earth is over 4 BILLION years old, not just millions.

Please. Study some actual geology. Creationism isn't geology: it lacks the integrity required.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It would show up in the DNA-- in that ERV's and other tags in the genetic codes, would all be exactly the same, at the time of the bottleneck.

Especially in the mitochondrial DNA, which does not vary as quickly as the nuclear DNA, and strictly comes from the mother (no mitochondrial DNA in sperm)

If you don't know what ERV's are? You should-- if you are going to discuss genetic coding evidence.

It would also show very few alleles for any particular gene. With humans we could test two individuals and see if they had the same mother and father. That cannot be done with cheetahs since they are all so closely related to each other due to the severe bottleneck they went through. Any two cheetahs are more closely related to each other than you are to your brothers and sisters. For a bit of a yuck factor:

All cheetah mating is more incestuous than anything possible by humans.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

How do you date it? Its made of rock and material that's been here since earth has.

And this, class, is why we can't have nice things.

In 8th grade Geology class, I learned how scientists date rock formations.

It's a wee bit complicated, but it's not beyond the grasp of your typical 8th grader.

However, it seems to be entirely beyond the grasp of your typical creationist.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

at that age he would probably have severe ED, and with no Viagra he would be e been SOL (Poop Out of Luck).

Yeah... but if the Dugars can crank out 12? 13? (I forget and frankly do not actually care) before they reach 60?

I'd think that old Noah would have had multiple dozen at a bare minimum...

Plus-- we know that in the time of Noah? Death by childbirth was one of the most common ways a woman could die.

Likely Noah would have had a string of wives, each dying after the 3rd or 5th child....

Really, when you apply logic and fact to the story? It grows less and less likely by the word.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

If millions of years can cut the grand canyon, millions of years would certainly wear on a mountain.

Multiple-millions of years for the Grand Canyon. Same for wearing out mountains.

Note: The mountain range right along the Red River (the Southern boundary of the state of Oklahoma, with Texas being just on the other side) in the USA? Used to be one of the highest on earth.

How can they tell? Well-- scientists examined the rocks in what is now a modest set of hills, really, and compared them to sediment drilled up from the mouth of the Mississippi River. Sonar mapping and other methods, has mapped out the entirety of the Mississippi River Delta (and what's underneath the ocean's surface)

A lot of that delta? Came from what used to be high mountains in Oklahoma/Texas. Rain poured on them for multiple millions of decades, washing it down to the Mississippi River, via the Western Mississippi Watershed.

The rocks in what's left of those mountains, matches a lot of the sediment in the Delta.

Calculating the volume of sediment can give a pretty good guess on how high those mountains used to be.

Yes-- it's not Rocket Science. But it is Geology.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Steel, iron, metal in general. When you get some that agree and are fact, post it.
Powerless boats adrift at see are unheard of. But wait, that happens all the time with even wooden sail ships.

And they either put out an anchor, or a sea anchor or sufficient sail to make headway?

OR THEY FOUNDER AND SINK.

This is common knowledge among people who have actually sailed-- and is easily available on Al Gores' Magical InterTubes.

Who knew? (well... lots of people, as it turns out...)

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Why do you always, and I mean always resort to personal attacks?

We so need an IRONY icon.... for comments as in the above.

 

[viole]

A question, @Skwim :

What version are you using? Every version I have, says God told Noah to "take with" him; not "get". As if Noah had to go get them.

Vs.9 says they "came to" or "went to". That was a miracle in itself.

A version depending word of God?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Audie]

Actually they don't. Perhaps you don't understand the long process that created things like the Hawaiian Islands.

Well, now, "island" varies from like a sandbar to Greenland.

Small islands can form or disappear overnight,
though of course the general idea horse is promoting
would do as a dictionary example of "facile".

 

[viole]

One objection I've heard humpteen times, is how did Noah find, i.e., 'get', all those animals.

Well, he didn't have to...the animals "came to" him @ the ark, as per vs.9.

Yup. Especially the marsupials. It was kind of difficult to jump several thousands miles to the ark, but it was worthy. At least they learned how to jump through oceans, you never know how that ark was built.

And when everything was finished, and all other marsupials died, then the ones in the ark decided that Australia is where they needed to jump back to. For some strange reason, since all their friends drowned.

I mean, do you really believe that?

Ciao

- viole

 

[ecco]

Plus-- we know that in the time of Noah? Death by childbirth was one of the most common ways a woman could die.

Likely Noah would have had a string of wives, each dying after the 3rd or 5th child....

Or, Mrs. Noah luckily survived 503 childbirths in her life with horny Noah. Perhaps 500 of the offspring died before the time of the ark.

 

[ecco]

Multiple-millions of years for the Grand Canyon. Same for wearing out mountains.

Note: The mountain range right along the Red River (the Southern boundary of the state of Oklahoma, with Texas being just on the other side) in the USA? Used to be one of the highest on earth.

How can they tell? Well-- scientists examined the rocks in what is now a modest set of hills, really, and compared them to sediment drilled up from the mouth of the Mississippi River. Sonar mapping and other methods, has mapped out the entirety of the Mississippi River Delta (and what's underneath the ocean's surface)

A lot of that delta? Came from what used to be high mountains in Oklahoma/Texas. Rain poured on them for multiple millions of decades, washing it down to the Mississippi River, via the Western Mississippi Watershed.

The rocks in what's left of those mountains, matches a lot of the sediment in the Delta.

Calculating the volume of sediment can give a pretty good guess on how high those mountains used to be.

Yes-- it's not Rocket Science. But it is Geology.

But Mr. Unbeliever, why then is Mount Everest still standing tall? If you are right, it too should have been eroded down to nothing.