I just saw this ridiculous commercial for the 2nd time:

[ecco]

It was kind of difficult to jump several thousands miles to the ark, but it was worthy. At least they learned how to jump through oceans

Yes, that learning process was very important. On the way back, after the flood waters subsided, they had to jump back with their little pouches filled with seeds for all the species of trees and flowers and mushrooms that ten spread across the continent.

It was probably even harder for the Pandas.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, that learning process was very important. On the way back, after the flood waters subsided, they had to jump back with their little pouches filled with seeds for all the species of trees and flowers and mushrooms that ten spread across the continent.

It was probably even harder for the Pandas.

For years Conservapedia had an article that gave the wild donkeyed guess that animals were returned to Australia via volcano. Sadly they finally edited that one out. Though when it was up Thunderf00t made a hilarious video about it.

EDIT: Only took a couple of minutes to find:

 

[nPeace]

No. I am not-- I am going by your silly bible's dimensional figures.

We KNOW what a cubit used to be-- so it's a simple matter to calculate these things.

The ark? AS WRITTEN? Simply does not work if made of wood. .

Another Baseless Claim.
You still have not answered the questions.
So I will make suggestions.

You probably have this in mind.
Slavic wooden ship building from history still goes on

I submit that I don't know where you make your claims from, other than your head, because they certainly are not real, evidently.
I submit that there are many different ways to build wooden structures that float in water, as well as barricade water. Timber dams
Every builder does not use the same method, and Noah used his own, which Bob don't know.
Wooden Ships

The fact of the matter is, you have been provided with evidence that a wooden structure, sealed both inside and out, riding on a body of water, would float, stay intact, and stable, and not capsize.
All you have done is make claims - baseless, which is equivalent to...just air - empty.
I see no uses for that.

If you run them vertical? That's actually MUCH WORSE-- there is a reason why nobody built ships like that-- ever.

Are you a carpenter? Have you ever been? More air.
No rulebook says, one need to use long planks to build sections on wooden structures like this.

Yet these ships were sea-worthy vessels used in hundreds of historical battles. Battles of the wooden men of war.

Your bible, silly. Bible-god commands Noah to build an ark out of WOOD. Duuuuhhhh. As a wood-worker? There are only a few ways to make a floating thing, out of WOOD, that will work.

So you admit that you are just making baseless claims then. Air.

Irony duly noted. You cannot successfully argue your point, so you attempt to change the subject. Again.

I posted a video, and your response to it was, "Forget everything else." I am on the subject - reminding you to address it, rather than brush it aside.

Nope. Not gonna watch a creationist pack'o'lies video. YouTube isn't evidence for anything.

Then I will keep quiet where you are concerned, since that's how you view my arguments.

Oh look! Another propaganda video desperately ignoring reality, and trying to brainwash children and child-like adults.

Sad.

Oh look! Someone who don't know how to tell the difference between propaganda, and reality, from the video. Therefore, that's the only comment you will get nPeace. Not surprised.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Another Baseless Claim.
You still have not answered the questions.
So I will make suggestions.

You probably have this in mind.
Slavic wooden ship building from history still goes on

I submit that I don't know where you make your claims from, other than your head, because they certainly are not real, evidently.
I submit that there are many different ways to build wooden structures that float in water, as well as barricade water. Timber dams
Every builder does not use the same method, and Noah used his own, which Bob don't know.
Wooden Ships

The fact of the matter is, you have been provided with evidence that a wooden structure, sealed both inside and out, riding on a body of water, would float, stay intact, and stable, and not capsize.
All you have done is make claims - baseless, which is equivalent to...just air - empty.
I see no uses for that.


Are you a carpenter? Have you ever been? More air.
No rulebook says, one need to use long planks to build sections on wooden structures like this.

Yet these ships were sea-worthy vessels used in hundreds of historical battles. Battles of the wooden men of war.

So you admit that you are just making baseless claims then. Air.


I posted a video, and your response to it was, "Forget everything else." I am on the subject - reminding you to address it, rather than brush it aside.


Then I will keep quiet where you are concerned, since that's how you view my arguments.



Oh look! Someone who don't know how to tell the difference between propaganda, and reality, from the video. Therefore, that's the only comment you will get nPeace. Not surprised.

It appears that you know nothing of ship building. As you can see in all of your wooden ship examples they used long boards on the outside running the length of the boat or ship. Yes, shorter planks could have supposedly been used. They tend to avoid that. Shorter planks means more joins. Each join is a weak spot for the hull that is up to leak. The more joins that a wood ship has the more likely it is to leak. But then one also runs into the problem of seams opening up in large ships as they go over waves etc.. The Wyoming leaked and had steam engines to dirve the bilge pumps. Noah, no so much. His even longer tub would have been even more prone to leakage.

So we have a boat that could not survive the worst storms in the history of the Earth. Five plus miles of water that has no explanation of where it came from or where it went to. No physical sign of the flood. No biological sign of the flood. It sounds like the God of flood believers much have worked for a couple of hundred years to cover up his foul deed. Believing in the flood is calling God a liar.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

For years Conservapedia had an article that gave the wild donkeyed guess that animals were returned to Australia via volcano. Sadly they finally edited that one out. Though when it was up Thunderf00t made a hilarious video about it.

EDIT: Only took a couple of minutes to find:

Well. Thunderf00t got it all wrong!

For one? The Earth was a flat plate back in the day--- in fact, it did not take on it's present day spherical shape until well into the 3rd, or possibly 4th century*. So there's that.

But as for all the animals in Australia? Clearly, they rode on the backs of penguins, who were all headed South anyway.



* the world had to be flat back then, or else Jesus could never have been tempted by Satan, wherein he shows Jesus all the Kingdoms of the World-- from a high mountain -- the only geometry where that is even possible, is on a flat plate or disc. You can only see about half the Kingdoms on a sphere, even if you stood on the Moon.

 

[Jose Fly]

 

[Jose Fly]

Don't forget, the answer to any supposed problem you identify regarding the flood will be simply answered with "God did that".

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Another Baseless Claim.
You still have not answered the questions.
So I will make suggestions..

Oh, I answered them quite well enough. There are a limited number of ways to build a wooden structure that will also float.

This is Old Hat, to anyone who's studied the history of ship-making. I've had a casual look, because it fascinates me. Clearly, you haven't even tried to look.

You probably have this in mind.
Slavic wooden ship building from history still goes on

.

Not bad. I'm surprised you had the courage to look-- seeing as how it destroys, entirely, your ark story...!

I submit that I don't know where you make your claims from, other than your head, because they certainly are not real, evidently..

Ain't YOU a cutie! Projecting your own lack of knowledge onto everyone else. I get my claims, if you must know, from actual history of ship making. It's common knowledge to anyone with a good education. I'm so very sorry about ... yours.

I submit that there are many different ways to build wooden structures that float in water, as well as barricade water. Timber dams.

http://www.moorsforthefuture.org.uk/sites/default/files/Timber_Dams.pdf

Timber dams are not floating structures, are they? But. We KNOW what the bible states with respect to the Ark-- it's an oblong mass of WOOD.

There are only so many ways to construct a watertight hull.

Noah did NOT know how to make plywood, for example. And? He only had THREE HELPERS-- so wrestling large wooden structures together?

HE COULD NOT DO THAT AT ALL ANYWAY. Ooops!

More: Noah had no iron, no steel, none of THAT. Copper is the best he had-- and copper? Is not even as strong as ... wood...!

Every builder does not use the same method, and Noah used his own, which Bob don't know..

LMAO! So it's Magical Knowledge that Nobody Knows? LOL!

Wooden Ships

The fact of the matter is, you have been provided with evidence that a wooden structure, sealed both inside and out, riding on a body of water, would float, stay intact, and stable, and not capsize.
All you have done is make claims - baseless, which is equivalent to...just air - empty.
I see no uses for that..

Modern building methods were not available to Noah, or did you conveniently forget that fact?

And? The history of Shipping says you are being quite disingenuous here-- there is a reason why ships are shaped as they are.

There is also a reason why BARGES are never used in the OPEN OCEANS OR STORMY WEATHER.

oooops! Looks like you are wrong. Again.

Are you a carpenter? Have you ever been? More air..

Yes. And yes. How nice of you to notice! Have YOU ever studied shipbuilding? No? The air, as it turns out? Is simply hot wind from you... .

.... again.

No rulebook says, one need to use long planks to build sections on wooden structures like this.

Yet these ships were sea-worthy vessels used in hundreds of historical battles. Battles of the wooden men of war..

Your reference? Proves you are wrong, and that I am and was, correct.

Ooops! Perhaps you should have done better research, when doing the Quick Google--- because your results do not support what is coming out of your mouth....!

Media ignored.

So you admit that you are just making baseless claims then. Air.
.

Nope. Do YOU admit that your "research" makes you out to be ... how shall we put this delicately? Oh HOT AIR. Works.

YOUR WORDS, not mine.

I posted a video, and your response to it was, "Forget everything else." I am on the subject - reminding you to address it, rather than brush it aside..

Lying videos from known lying websites and known lying videos are not evidence.

oops!

Then I will keep quiet where you are concerned, since that's how you view my arguments..

If you had any actual arguments? well.... perhaps you would not look quite so full of... what was your word again?

Oh yeah: Air.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Except that wave studies? Prove that such a floating thing would quickly turn sideways to waves, then begin a fatal rocking motion, tip over capsize and ... sink.

Years ago I saw a PBS program where they made a miniature of the Ark and put it in a bathtub filled with churning water. Nothing that was tried was able to tip over the Ark.
Not every animal had to be on the Ark, just a representative of the species.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Years ago I saw a PBS program where they made a miniature of the Ark and put it in a bathtub filled with churning water. Nothing that was tried was able to tip over the Ark.
Not every animal had to be on the Ark, just a representative of the species.

You seriously need to study the square\/cube law and how it applies:
Square–cube law - Wikipedia

That law tells us why ants can lift several times their weight, but if they were scaled up to human size they could not move their own bodies across the floor. It tells us why an Ark that was increased from bathtub size to Noah's Ark size would open up at the seams and fail.

And there are millions of species of animals. No model every has used millions of species.

I can understand that people have not had a very good education in the sciences, but to refuse to learn why one is wrong is something that I cannot understand.

 

[ecco]

The fact of the matter is, you have been provided with evidence that a wooden structure, sealed both inside and out, riding on a body of water, would float, stay intact, and stable, and not capsize.

Sorry, I must have missed that. Would you be good enough to repost the evidence.

Thank you.

 

[ecco]

Years ago I saw a PBS program where they made a miniature of the Ark and put it in a bathtub filled with churning water. Nothing that was tried was able to tip over the Ark.
Not every animal had to be on the Ark, just a representative of the species.

Hey, you must be right! My

floats and can't tip over. Praise Jesus.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Years ago I saw a PBS program where they made a miniature of the Ark and put it in a bathtub filled with churning water. Nothing that was tried was able to tip over the Ark.
Not every animal had to be on the Ark, just a representative of the species.

A representative of JUST THE INSECTS? Would fill a volume many times that of the bible's ark.

And would have to be packed so dense, that the ark would sink anyway-- never mind they'd all be crushed...

But your "pbs" was wrong. Actual scientists with knowledge of ship building, built a 1/10 scale ark-- and put it in the actual US Navy's Large Wave Simulation Tank, and what'ya know?

The ark quickly swings sideways to the oncoming waves, which sets up oscillation, and it flips over -- sinks. Within a matter of minutes, actually.

That was on a NOVA story-- the REAL story of PBS. Likely you were watching the 700 fake news club or something.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Sorry, I must have missed that. Would you be good enough to repost the evidence.

Thank you.

Her link said nothing of the sort. Yes-- a basket sized object sealed will float for awhile.

And some brave people reconstructed a reed boat, and made the Atlantic Crossing-- it was in National Geographic Magazine, back when it was still reporting actual science. Of course, the crew were followed by conventional ships, with cameras to document the crossing, and they nearly didn't make it anyway. But it was a pretty cool story.

And yeah, the reed ship was much smaller than the ones the pilgrims used, about 40 feet? I seem to remember. That was as large as they dared make, using reed bundles tied into sausage-like structures (which were in turn, bundled into a kind of boatlike shape).

I suppose Noah could have used.... Styrofoam to keep his ark afloat.

Imagine large sheets of the stuff, glued on with Magical Gopher Glue* all over the outside, so that it had plenty of floatation.

I mean, God, right? Could have brought from the future through a Time Warp to help old Noah out?

Later on, Noah burned those sheets, and that's why he was drunk that one time.... from the fumes.


* Gopher Glue would be similar in property to Gopher Wood, I would presume. It is 110% as strong as is needed to fit the Narrative, doncha know.

So, what happened to Gopher Trees? Why, they all drowned in the flood, of course!

And since Unicorns absolutely require Gopher Wood to live? Well.. there you go.

And since Dragons only feed off of Unicorns? When they went, there went the Dragons too.

It was quite sad. Noah should never have cut down all those Gopher Trees like that... a shame.

 

[Deeje]

Religious indoctrination of the young is the primary means of filling the mind with concrete.

That depends on whether you consider godless, undirected creation as "concrete" (which I do)....preventing young minds from even contemplating the possibility of Intelligent Design is simply the boot on the other foot. You have your own concrete IMO.

All the "Amen's" and "Hallelujah's" and "Praise Jesus'" heard from birth onward solidify. They become a part of the brain just like a regional accent.

That's funny...what you describe is not Christianity....not even remotely close. Christ promoted things based on knowledge, not just on transient emotions. I assure you that the original Christians had a more solid basis for their faith.

Who hates God? I don't. What's to hate?

Perhaps it's more a case of hating the idea of God? I haven't see anyone substantiate the alternative though. Its a belief that it all happened by chance but they can never prove any of it.

Do you hate psychic snowflakes?

I don't know...I have never encountered one....however, I have encountered the Creator on many occasions.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

That depends on whether you consider godless, undirected creation as "concrete" (which I do)....preventing young minds from even contemplating the possibility of Intelligent Design is simply the boot on the other foot. You have your own concrete IMO.

Unfortunately for you? There remains zero reason (and less evidence) that would suggest an actual intelligent designer.

What with all the total lack of anything designed.

In fact? Looking around the Universe? It looks more like everything is pretty random, just as you'd expect, if gravity is the primary "creative" force in the Universe.

So, to sum up: No Intelligent Design, because there is no Design.

And the Universe seems to be assembled because of Gravity, not some magical, wish-granting super-being.

I have asked theists like yourself, if they believe in Magic.

Of course, most give a vehement "NO!"

But when I ask if they believe in god? I find out they lied to my first question......

 

[nPeace]

There are only so many ways to construct a watertight hull.

I have already named one, that's mentioned in the Bible. Did you disagree with it?

Noah did NOT know how to make plywood, for example. And? He only had THREE HELPERS-- so wrestling large wooden structures together?

HE COULD NOT DO THAT AT ALL ANYWAY. Ooops!

Yet he got it done. Amazing! Where did you read that he couldn't or didn't? Surely not in the Bible.
Wait! You must have been there... right? Wrong.

You have no knowledge of what Noah used. Or do you? Please don't lie. It wouldn't work.

Modern building methods were not available to Noah, or did you conveniently forget that fact?

And? The history of Shipping says you are being quite disingenuous here-- there is a reason why ships are shaped as they are.

There is also a reason why BARGES are never used in the OPEN OCEANS OR STORMY WEATHER.

oooops! Looks like you are wrong. Again.

Why would one expect modern methods to exist in the past?
If a method is modern, it is quite obvious that ancient methods preceded it, So the methods used in the past, are what becomes modernized - such as ship building.
The only difference is that new methods and materials are added.
Id doesn't mean that the ancient methods did not work.

Many ancient artifacts are known to be quite advanced, as to baffle modern man.

So please don't tell me that

Modern building methods were not available to Noah

,... you are merely making empty assertions, and speculative guesses - Air.

Also, I think you keep imagining a boat or ship, which is not what God told Noah to build. An ark is not a boat, and it was not built for speed. That would be foolish, wouldn't it?

Your reference? Proves you are wrong, and that I am and was, correct.

Ooops! Perhaps you should have done better research, when doing the Quick Google--- because your results do not support what is coming out of your mouth....!

More air? Unless you explain, how so.


Statements like these

Her link said nothing of the sort. Yes-- a basket sized object sealed will float for awhile.

show that you are merely guessing, which is pointless.
Please explain why it will only float for a while.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I have already named one, that's mentioned in the Bible. Did you disagree with it?

Please do not prevaricate, it's unbecoming. The bible's description simply doesn't fit with your "example".

Principally because your "example" has to be quite tiny to work, and the bible's ark is anything but small.

So. To Sum Up: A wooden boat built to 450 feet out of WOOD, regardless of it's actual SHAPE?

Will sink. Very quickly. This is basic physics, and you can deny it all you like.

But that simply makes you wrong. Again.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

- Air.

I'm going to ask you to quit lying about what I said. It's unbecoming.

It's also quite ugly for you to continue to call me a liar-- which is what you are doing above. Also unbecoming of someone claiming to be from a "loving" religion.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

An ark is not a boat, and it was not built for speed. That would be foolish, wouldn't it?

We know what it looked like: A rectangular box, so many "cubits" long, high, wide, etc, etc, etc.

Made of... WOOD. Not plywood. Not wood reinforced with iron or steel. WOOD. With WOODEN PEGS to hold it together.

I have been working with wood since I was in grade school. You cannot make a thing that size, out of WOOD, and NOT have it sink.

Especially in ROUGH SEAS-- because the volume of water required to cover the earth in only 40 days? WOULD BE THE SAME AS BEING IN A WATERFALL. FOR 40 DAYS.

The fact is? ANYTHING made of WOOD would be utterly destroyed by that strong of "rainfall" in a matter of minutes.

But that much water falling that fast would create the MOTHER OF ALL STORMS, with respect to waves.

The ark would have SUNK in seconds, if it magically survived the WATERFALL.