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I just want a normal boyfriend

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I am flabbergasted that you are willing to put up with someone who doesn't bathe, however I have next to zero experience with relationships and am as from from being a psychologist as a person can be. I say he sounds like way, way too much trouble. He sounds like he needs a mom not a girlfriend.
Why would it matter if he bathes since I never see him in person? He said he would bathe if he was living in a house and had a way to bathe.

I don't really know what he needs and that is more than half the problem! He told me what he wants but I wonder if he is even self-aware enough to know what he wants.
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Now, if somebody cared enough about me to find a Baha'i man for me, that'd be another story (hint, hint.). ;)
Unfortunately for him, Rick Jones may soon be available, because his wife seems to be dying. But I'm not good friends with him really. It would be awkward. Also he would need to grieve the death for a while before I dare approach him. I'm not sure about his age, but he's retired. He's been around here as a Baha'i since the 70s at least.

I'm not a social person, as you know, with most people. You're an exception to that. That really limits me.:rolleyes: I have an old close friend that lives in Washington state as it happens, he is my age, but he is happily married. He lives in Redmond, Washington, a suburb of Seattle. Last I knew, he was rooting for the Seattle Seahawks. We started out as football buddies, and it became more than that.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Unfortunately for him, Rick Jones may soon be available, because his wife seems to be dying. But I'm not good friends with him really. It would be awkward. Also he would need to grieve the death for a while before I dare approach him. I'm not sure about his age, but he's retired. He's been around here as a Baha'i since the 70s at least.

I'm not a social person, as you know, with most people. You're an exception to that. That really limits me.:rolleyes: I have an old close friend that lives in Washington state as it happens, he is my age, but he is happily married. Last I knew, he was rooting for the Seattle Seahawks. We started out as football buddies, and it became more than that.
As you might remember I told you about that man in Ohio, who was on Baha'iMingle, but who knows how up-to -date his profile is. There is no point bothering with those Baha'i dating sites so I finally gave up. There were a few Baha'is on Spiritual Singles and two responded to my messages but one did not like cats and the other never responded again.

I do not care about marrying a Baha'i anymore. I did all I can do so if God wants me to marry a Baha'i, he can arrange it. ;) Meanwhile, all the men I meet are learning about the Faith and it is possible they could become a Baha'i.

I do not need to marry a Baha'i just because most Baha'is are married to Baha'is. The Baha'is of our generation got married a long time ago just like we did. They would be hard pressed to find a Baha'i to marry now.

Since many Baha'is of our generation married Baha'is, that means there must be widowers who are Baha'is, but they are probably not seriously looking to marry again, because most of them have their children and grandchildren and their Baha'i activities, unlike me. :(

I could be happy married to a Christian as long as he did not believe Jesus is the only way. Better yet would be a man who is spiritual but not religious, or even an agnostic.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I suspect this man has OCD. I guess one reason I keep talking to him is because I keep thinking I could be wrong, and I feel sorry for him, but I have an MA in Psychology and over 30 years in therapy, and I have had OCD myself, so I think I am probably right. I asked him if he ever takes a shower or bath and he admitted he doesn't but he said that was perfectly healthy.
Get rid of him as nicely as possible. If you believe in God (not sure you do), pray for wisdom.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Why would it matter if he bathes since I never see him in person? He said he would bathe if he was living in a house and had a way to bathe.

I don't really know what he needs and that is more than half the problem! He told me what he wants but I wonder if he is even self-aware enough to know what he wants.
If that's your reasoning, well, I won't say any more.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I do not believe in "getting rid" of people, although I certainly do need to explain why I think it cannot work out between us.

I do and I do.
It's an expression. You can be nice but not be close. I understand your dilemma to an extent, but when I was dating I would never entertain the idea of staying close with someone that did not take a bath or shower regularly.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Why would it matter if he bathes since I never see him in person? He said he would bathe if he was living in a house and had a way to bathe.

I don't really know what he needs and that is more than half the problem! He told me what he wants but I wonder if he is even self-aware enough to know what he wants.
I've seen enough shows to see there are women who will just about date anyone if the circumstances are right. Did you find out why he doesn't live in a house? Maybe you said so but I didn't read the post. My brother-in-law is mentally ill (not outwardly sick, but can't work, etc.) and finally got help from the government and lives in a nice apartment. To outward appearances, he's nice and respectable. He is clean and exercises. But would I consider marrying such a person if circumstances were different? Would I trust him? No. I'd rather be alone and get together with friends or volunteer my time somewhere. However, there are times I do what others warn me not to do.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
It's an expression. You can be nice but not be close. I understand your dilemma to an extent, but when I was dating I would never entertain the idea of staying close with someone that did not take a bath or shower regularly.
If you read the OP, you would see that I have never met him in person, so I have never been 'close' to him.
But even if I do meet him, I will not be getting close to him since it is against my religious beliefs to be physically close to a man before marriage.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
If you read the OP, you would see that I have never met him in person, so I have never been 'close' to him.
But even if I do meet him, I will not be getting close to him since it is against my religious beliefs to be physically close to a man before marriage.
If it were me, no matter same/not same/close physically permitted/not close permitted, I would have little to nothing to do with someone who told me he lives in a car and doesn't take a bath or shower -- (figure he can't take care of me and I surely don't want to take care of a man financially unless I have to, and that's after marriage unexpected circumstances). But based on our conversation so far, I wonder ...I'm not a psychologist, and even if I gave you the best advice, some people do their own thing anyway. Hope the best for you.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I've seen enough shows to see there are women who will just about date anyone if the circumstances are right. Did you find out why he doesn't live in a house? Maybe you said so but I didn't read the post. My brother-in-law is mentally ill (not outwardly sick, but can't work, etc.) and finally got help from the government and lives in a nice apartment. To outward appearances, he's nice and respectable. He is clean and exercises. But would I consider marrying such a person if circumstances were different? Would I trust him? No. I'd rather be alone and get together with friends or volunteer my time somewhere. However, there are times I do what others warn me not to do.
If you read the OP you would know why he does not live in a house or apartment. It is because he cannot live in a city or close to a city since he has MCS, or so he believes. I do not know how serious his condition is but he told me he started getting social security disability in 2001 because of his MCS.

No, I don't think I want to get involved with him any further, because he has too many issues, physical and possibly emotional, and I do not need any more problems in my life. However, I can say a few things that I admire about him, he really has faith in God and lives according to the teachings of Jesus, even though he is not a denominational Christian. He is honest, kind, caring, and courteous, and he has good morals, unlike most men I meet on dating sites who want casual sex with a woman. That will never work for me, since I have never had sex out of wedlock and I never plan to.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
If it were me, no matter same/not same/close physically permitted/not close permitted, I would have little to nothing to do with someone who told me he lives in a car and doesn't take a bath or shower --
That may very well be why he has not found a women yet. I don't know if he likes me because no other woman would have him, or if he likes me for myself. He is a complete enigma to be so far.
(figure he can't take care of me and I surely don't want to take care of a man financially unless I have to, and that's after marriage unexpected circumstances).
I do not think he would ever want me to support him financially, if it ever got that far, although I could easily afford to do so if I wanted to.
But based on our conversation so far, I wonder ...I'm not a psychologist, and even if I gave you the best advice, some people do their own thing anyway. Hope the best for you.
No, I am not going to ignore any advice I am getting, and I posted it here to get advice. I will make my own decision but I needed other opinions to help me decide what to do.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
That may very well be why he has not found a women yet. I don't know if he likes me because no other woman would have him, or if he likes me for myself. He is a complete enigma to be so far.

So? Why worry?? You think maybe he doesn't have a woman because he lives in a car and hasn't taken a shower or bath lately?

I do not think he would ever want me to support him financially, if it ever got that far, although I could easily afford to do so if I wanted to.

No, I am not going to ignore any advice I am getting, and I posted it here to get advice. I will make my own decision but I needed other opinions to help me decide what to do.

Somehow it appears to me that the compendium of advice is --
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
So? Why worry?? You think maybe he doesn't have a woman because he lives in a car and hasn't taken a shower or bath lately?
Yes, that is probably one reason why but he also told me he hasn't liked any women he has met even though some of them liked him. I am not worried. Whatever is meant to be will happen.
Somehow it appears to me that the compendium of advice is --
Yes, I know, but they don't have all the facts and neither do I, not yet. Another fact is I am not perfect so why would I expect a man to be perfect? Sure I take a shower every day but there is more to life than bathing. All of us have qualities that are less than desirable, so we cannot expect to find a perfect mate. What is most important is a person's character because that is what can be changed. He can always move into a house and take a shower.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member

I think there is such a thing as a normal boyfriend but I cannot seem to find one.

I mean no offense towards the man I met on a dating site but he is not normal in any sense of the word. In many ways I might not be considered normal but at least I fall withing reasonable parameters of normality. I mean I have always had a place to live and a job. I do have a lot of cats but that does not make me abnormal because many other people have lots of cats or dogs.

People can get by without a job if they have another means of support but I am very concerned about getting serious about a man who has lived in a vehicle for decades. I cannot make that work in my mind. I don’t think it is because of lack of money because he has had social security all this time, first disability and then regular social security. I also think he could work if he wanted to.

He says he lives in his vehicle which is a Chevy Suburban on BLM-managed public land because he cannot live in the city because he has MCS, but I just cannot believe that. Maybe it is true, I don’t know, but what this means to me is that I can never meet him in person since he is afraid to come to where I live, since I live in a populated area, even though I live in the country. There would be no point in my going to where he is located to meet him, since I could never live there.

The only communication I have with this man is over the phone, he does not even have a way to communicate via regular e-mail or texting. I am wondering if I should break this so-called relationship off before it goes any further, because I do not want to lead him on and end up hurting him, nor do I want to get hurt myself. I cannot afford to be hurt by men any more than I have already been hurt.

I was initially attracted to him because I like his beliefs about God, and I liked his photo, and after I talked to him on the phone I liked his overall demeanor, as he is very kind and polite and he respects me and my beliefs about no sex out of wedlock. He says he wants a woman to love, not to have sex with. If we were married, he would probably want sex, but that is not a problem for me.

I am not only concerned about how he lives, I am concerned about how he thinks, as it seems rather extreme to me. Most of this is regarding health and eating habits. Lots of men are vegetarian or vegan and I understand that and have no problem with it, but it is more than that. He has an obsession about physical health. I am not sure I could live with that since I already have anxiety about other things so I don’t want to add to that. I am very healthy and I don’t want to obsess about what I eat. I eat pretty well but I refuse to count calories or measure how much fat intake I have. I have been down that road before but it was over 30 years ago and I don’t intend to do it again. Life is too short to worry about everything I eat. There are too many other things that are really important to me, and if he does not think they are important maybe we are not well matched. He does not need to be a carbon copy of me, and I would not want that, but if he is on a completely different path in life, it just won’t work.

This is the man who said that he could not live with the cats but we have gotten past that now. Yesterday he said I had to be kind because I love animals so much and he is okay with the cats and he even wants to see photos of them. Most of the problem now is regarding his MCS which to him means he can only live out in the middle of nowhere in high desert elevations. I live in a house and I plan to stay here so it cannot work unless he concedes to live in my house. I am going to stay in touch with him a little while longer. I am going to send him an e-mail, which he can only receive at the public library, and in it I am going to tell him what I am thinking, that I don’t want to hurt him or be hurt by getting my hopes up about a relationship that can never be.
Others have advised you to end it and I agree. You don't want to get saddled with a nutter. There are ample warning signs. Keep in mind there are a lot of odd people about - and the odder they are the more likely they are to resort to the internet. It seems to me one snag with internet dating, as opposed to meeting people naturally through social contact, may be that there is no filter. When you meet people via social interaction (in the neighbourhood, through work, via church, leisure activity groups, even shopping) is there is an invisible filter operating, that puts you mostly with people who are in some ways not too wildly dissimilar in habits and lifestyle from you. But the internet provides an anonymous outlet for all the cranks and nutcases - not to mention people with ill intentions. So it seems to me you need to provide your own filter and be ruthless in applying it. I think you have to be selective, pay attention to your red flags and not be afraid to act on them promptly.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
On the plus side, though, he's a virtual red flag factory. Maybe he could sell them to the Chinese and become a millionaire. :)
 

wandering peacefully

Which way to the woods?
Absolutely not. He probably has done this 300 hundred times. Meets a woman on line, eventually gets them to let him in so he has a place to crash for a few months until he takes a good chunk of your money and time and emotions until you have to legally evict him to get him out of your space.

All you need to do is nicely tell him you have decided a relationship is too much for you at this time, hang up and change your phone number!

Today would be the day to do it.

Not speaking from experience....well.
 
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