I just want to sin!!!

[muhammad_isa]

We have many Christians in America who cheer on global warming because, to them, it is prophecy being fulfilled..

I am aware of the link between politics and religion.
I am aware of Trump and the support he gets from people's fear of losing power and wealth.

Trying to make it about religion is rather crass. Obama has his supporters too.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am aware of the link between politics and religion.
I am aware of Trump and the support he gets from people's fear of losing power and wealth.

Trying to make it about religion is rather crass. Obama has his supporters too.

I'm not even talking politics. The church I belonged to--many years before Obama even started in the Senate--was preaching global warming is prophecy being fulfilled.

 

[epronovost]

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that your definition of "religious people" is flawed.

How is it flawed? Religious people are people who identify as belonging to a religion. That's the most basic definition of it. What gives you the authority to say that some of those people aren't religious when they claim they are?

If you define, religious people as people who identify as belonging to a religion and are always moral for example, you would commit a definitional fallacy. You just defined the term in such a way you are axiomatically correct despite the fact it would exclude people who would very much consider themselves, let alone be considered by others, as religious people. Of course, there are religious people who are more religious than others, but that's true for every group.

You can start a thread on the topic if you wish..

Why? You can present your arguments here that secularism or lack of religion is a direct responsible for atmospheric pollution. I think you have a hard task ahead of yourself, but if you can make a good case for it, it's pertinent to the subject of this thread since both religious and irreligious people largely consider protecting the environment from pollution to be important and even a moral issue.

Really?
Would you say that China is becoming more "westernised" or not?
It certainly has little to with Christianity or Islam.

Considering that the population of China is largely stagnating and is set to decrease over the next half century due to their longstanding and only recently abolished 1 Child Policy, this is irrelevant to the question of "westernization" or "secularization". Yes, China represents the largest group of atheists and non-religious people in the world, but it's population isn't increasingly more secular or atheist. It's stable, and the importance of that population on the globe in terms proportion is decreasing and has been decreasing for the 30 years. India is soon going to become the most populated country on Earth, the country with the largest number of Muslim and still one of the most religiously observant country in the world. As for your question if China is becoming more westernized, I would say not really. In fact, its passing through a period of "re-Easternization" as the communist regime is supporting and extolling the virtues of Chinese culture; a major break with their prior policies of "modernizing the Chinese society and culture".

 

[Sheldon]

You merely state the obvious.

Whereas you merely deny it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Here's why we do it:

First of all, we don't want to torture anyone and we believe we are actually being kind. We are following the golden rule and I assure you my intent is pure.

Second, speaking of Jews, what do the last two verses of the Old Testament say?

“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:”

“And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.”

Uniting families eternally is our business.

Third, it makes better cities. I feel that when a Temple gets established in a city, it creates better people all around it.

For these 3 reasons, I believe that if it does good, it should not be shut down.

All of that is done against the will of others. If someone didn't get baptised in your church during life they aren't your property to do with as you wish and do a proxy baptism later. Doing such a thing without consent is heinous.

 

[Trailblazer]

Ow. That's tough. Is that something you can get support for from people that are inside your religion?

I get support from my bff @Truthseeker. Even though he does not agree with me about God he understands how I feel about God.

 

[Sheldon]

Either it is known or it is not. How does whether it is known or not affect the outcome?
Come on .. stop your nonsense and answer my question.

I give up, how? Since it is your claim a deity the outcome before it happens, and not mine, asking me to explain it is rather bizarre.

 

[ppp]

I get support from my bff @Truthseeker. Even though he does not agree with me about God he understands how I feel about God.

Are y'all allowed to get non-religious therapists? It might help to talk to someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight.

 

[robocop (actually)]

All of that is done against the will of others. If someone didn't get baptised in your church during life they aren't your property to do with as you wish and do a proxy baptism later. Doing such a thing without consent is heinous.

They still choose.

All of that is done against the will of others. If someone didn't get baptised in your church during life they aren't your property to do with as you wish and do a proxy baptism later. Doing such a thing without consent is heinous.

What exactly is done against the will of others? How are they our property? Why is it heinous?

 

[Sheldon]

"Some people have misunderstood that when baptisms for the dead are performed, deceased persons are baptized into the Church against their will. This is not the case. Each individual has agency, or the right to choose."

How does a deceased person choose anything? Personally I don't care, knock yourself out, when I'm dead I don't believe it will make any difference at all. It sounds pretty arrogant though.

 

[robocop (actually)]

How does a deceased person choose anything? Personally I don't care, knock yourself out, when I'm dead I don't believe it will make any difference at all. It sounds pretty arrogant though.

Exactly; if we're wrong it doesn't matter. If they're scared we might be right they can research us.

This is the very work according to us of saving the human race; how is that heinous?

 

[Clara Tea]

[Some Christians claim] “You are denying God because you just want to sin.”

All the “sins” I might ever commit, I could commit as a Christian.

Christians believe that it is a sin to be Gay or practice a Gay lifestyle.

Shouldn't there be laws prohibiting Gays from celebrating Christmas?

After all, Gay marriage ruins Christians marriages by ruining the institution of marriage (I have no idea how). So, it is prohibited, in many places for Gays to marry and prohibited for Gays to participate in the legal aspects of marriage (inheritance, child custody, Social Security, etc).

Prominent Republicans, like Newt Gingrich, oppose Gay marriage, but shouldn't Gingrich bar Gays from celebrating Christmas?

Would that make him Ging-Grinch?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They still choose.

What exactly is done against the will of others? How are they our property? Why is it heinous?

Because you are doing as you will with the dead with no regard or concern for how others feel about it. This is how the Mormons came to be sued by the Jews, because the Mormons were doing as they please with Holocaust victims, knowing damn well they were Jewish and had nothing to do with Christianity in life.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Christians believe that it is a sin to be Gay or practice a Gay lifestyle.

Shouldn't there be laws prohibiting Gays from celebrating Christmas?

After all, Gay marriage ruins Christians marriages by ruining the institution of marriage (I have no idea how). So, it is prohibited, in many places for Gays to marry and prohibited for Gays to participate in the legal aspects of marriage (inheritance, child custody, Social Security, etc).

Prominent Republicans, like Newt Gingrich, oppose Gay marriage, but shouldn't Gingrich bar Gays from celebrating Christmas?

Would that make him Ging-Grinch?

Nah. The real Grinch would have died shortly after the story due to nasty complications over his unique heart condition. It was probably excruciating.
Newt's heart didn't grow.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Because you are doing as you will with the dead with no regard or concern for how others feel about it. This is how the Mormons came to be sued by the Jews, because the Mormons were doing as they please with Holocaust victims, knowing damn well they were Jewish and had nothing to do with Christianity in life.

We care how people feel about us. We don't let people rejecting us stop us from doing missionary work.

And we respect Jews asking us not to.

 

[Clara Tea]

How does a deceased person choose anything? Personally I don't care, knock yourself out, when I'm dead I don't believe it will make any difference at all. It sounds pretty arrogant though.

Because of your great observation, I will make my choices very brief, once I am dead.

Dead puppies aren't much fun...they don't come when you call them. (from the song "Dead Puppies Aren't Much Fun).

There are so many things that you can't do when you're dead. (Mel Brooks)

They make you wear cologne at weddings, and claim that you are a stick-in-the-mud...party pooper. No one wants to dance with you once you're dead (unless their trying to conceal the fact that you're dead and waltz you out of the room). It's awfully hard being the life of the party while being dead.

My neighbor died, and his wife told me about it. I told her that I hope he'll be better soon.

 

[Colt]

People get aroused without ever getting to thinking about the person naked. You know that, right? The involuntary dilation of one's pupils from seeing someone's attractive face is an early stage of arousal. You have a non-realistic view of how human bodies work.


No. I have never made any such decision.

You are deliberately misunderstanding "lust". It's not the first look, it's the second and so on.
Jesus was saying that in the life of the believer it's not the outward appearance of righteousness rather it's the inner life of the spirit, of motives. In the context of devout Jews in his day one could be very religious and loyal to traditions and customs while inwardly corrupt.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Also, the Book of Mormon talks of Jews converting to Christ in the last days.

We don't want to do temple work for Jews though. We care deeply how they feel about us.

With other people it's the same as what I just said about missionary work, but we don't do anything missionary related in Israel.

 

[ppp]

Why is it heinous?

It is the moral equivalent of having sex with someone who is intoxicated and unable to give informed, enthusiastic consent.

 

[robocop (actually)]

It is the moral equivalent of having sex with someone who is intoxicated and unable to give informed, enthusiastic consent.

Different opinions on the state of the dead... Okay to have them.