I kill kittens.

[McBell]

What I'm driving at is that a sociopath will eventually kill a human being after killing and torturing animals loses its appeal.

I agree completely.

So now that we got the side tangent of sociopaths out of the way....

 

[Midnight Pete]

Yes, because the animal shelter charging him to take the animals and then killing them is so much better than just doing the killing himself, right?

Seems to me that you are fine with the animal shelter being paid assassins.

Yes, because I know they would do it humanely and without any sort of sick graitification. The veteriarian destroying the animals would not become sexually aroused by the act of ending their little lives.

 

[McBell]

Yes, because I know they would do it humanely and without any sort of sick graitification. The veteriarian destroying the animals would not become sexually aroused by the act of ending their little lives.

So it is not the killing of the animals, nor the reason they are being killed that you take issue with, but the alleged (by you) sexual arousal obtained from the killing of the animals?

 

[Circle_One]

Revoltingest:

I completely disagree with what you hypothetically did, and I would never do anything of the sort.

I've been faced with near same situations many times and I have either:

1) brought them to a shelter (read: shelter, not SPCA. No paying for dropping off animals.) We have at least a dozen NO-KILL shelters in our area that gaurentee they do not euthanize the animals brought into them. If they have no room, they will reccommend another No-Kill shelter. Yes, it spends gas, but IMHO, using gas is a helluva lot better than slaughtering healthy, innocent creatures.

2) Have taken the cats in, where possible. I presently have 6.

3) Have found homes for them. Advertising free kittens usually makes people come a'running.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Revoltingest:

I completely disagree with what you hypothetically did, and I would never do anything of the sort.

I've been faced with near same situations many times and I have either:

1) brought them to a shelter (read: shelter, not SPCA. No paying for dropping off animals.) We have at least a dozen NO-KILL shelters in our area that gaurentee they do not euthanize the animals brought into them. If they have no room, they will reccommend another No-Kill shelter. Yes, it spends gas, but IMHO, using gas is a helluva lot better than slaughtering healthy, innocent creatures.

2) Have taken the cats in, where possible. I presently have 6.

3) Have found homes for them. Advertising free kittens usually makes people come a'running.

Circle_One, what do you think is the proper way for a vet to destroy an animal?

 

[McBell]

... innocent creatures.

Define innocent.

 

[Circle_One]

It`s called consistency.

I value cats and their lives as equal to the vast majority of other animals lives.

I don`t think we`d even be having this discussion if Revolting had killed a garter snake.
I see little or no difference.

The fact that the vast majority of people upset over the death of a cat wouldn`t even blink over the death of a snake/lizard/toad speaks volumes about how they value animals.

Would you have called the death of a rodent in the same manner a "gratuitous waste of life"?
Unlikely.

I would.

Any life of a living creature, be it a cuddly kitten, or a "creepy" spider, or a slithering little snake, taken for no valid reason (read: health issues. Cat has cancer, you put her down), IS a gratuitous waste of life.

I have NEVER. NEVER in my life killed another living creature willingly, voluntarily or knowingly. If I step on an ant I don't see while walking down the street, that's a different story, because I did it unknowingly. But whether the creature is cute and cuddly, or annoying, or what other people would call "scary", has NO bearing on me and my beliefs. A life is a life is a life.

Two summers ago, I was taking a shower, and a beetle fell into the bathtub. I bent down to try and save it, so it wouldn't drown, but my doing this caused the shower water to cascade down my back and send the poor little guy shooting down the drain. I cried so hard, Jason ran in the bathroom because he thought I was dying. He found me, in the shower, on my knees, apologizing to the long gone, drowned little beetle.

Once again, A life is a life is a life, no matter what someone's definition of cute and cuddly is.

 

[Circle_One]

Circle_One, what do you think is the proper way for a vet to destroy an animal?

The way they euthanize them now. HOWEVER, I don't agree with euthanasia, simply as a means of "crowd control". If an animal is sick and suffering, then I agree with it.

 

[Circle_One]

Define innocent.

What humans are not.

 

[McBell]

What humans are not.

huh?
So you define 'innocent' as 'immortal'?

 

[McBell]

What humans are not.

huh?
So you define 'innocent' as 'immortal' or as 'kangaroos'?

 

[Revoltingest]

This diseased individual could have just taken them to an animal shelter.

...whereupon, they'd have seen the same fate by different means.
Really, Pete, if you're going to object to my actions, the least you could do is skip the histrionics & cogently address the issues.
I detect in you a lust for eating meat, yet you don't see me taunting you with the hypocrisy towards killing which this suggests.

 

[Circle_One]

huh?
So you define 'innocent' as 'immortal' or as 'kangaroos'?

Yes, that is obviously precisely what I define innocent as: Immortal Kangaroos.

 

[Circle_One]

...whereupon, they'd have seen the same fate by different means.
Really, Pete, if you're going to dis me, the least you could do is skip the histrionics & cogently address the issues.
I detect in you a lust for eating meat, yet you don't see me taunting you with the hypocrisy this suggests.

So, you don't have any no-kill shelters where you live?

 

[linwood]

Why stop at kittens if you can rationalize anything?

That would depend upon ones ethical world view and what that world views standards are and whether or not they are internally consistent.

This diseased individual could have just taken them to an animal shelter.

I don`t understand how Revolting is "diseased" because he killed an animal.
Is every person who kills an animal "diseased" in your ethical worldview?

Revolting has stated that taking them to a shelter would have harmed him economically.
There is also the point that they would have met the same fate at a shelter.

How is killing them at a shelter at an economic loss preferable to killing them on the spot?

Would you have taken a spider to the shelter?
Would the spider even have been accepted by the shelter?
Why does a feral cat have a greater value than a spider?
I believe I could make an arguement that a spider has at least as much value as a feral cat.

What I'm driving at is that a sociopath will eventually kill a human being after killing and torturing animals loses its appeal.

So now Revolting is a sociopath?
Is everyone who kills an animal a sociopath in your ethical world view?

Yes, because I know they would do it humanely and without any sort of sick graitification. The veteriarian destroying the animals would not become sexually aroused by the act of ending their little lives.

So now Revolting gets sexually aroused by killing animals?
This is a pretty serious stretch, are you a Tea Party member by any chance?


Personally I think having ones skull crushed immediately is pretty damn humane as far as death goes.

 

[Circle_One]

That would depend upon ones ethical world view and what that world views standards are and whether or not they are internally consistent.



I don`t understand how Revolting is "diseased" because he killed an animal.
Is every person who kills an animal "diseased" in your ethical worldview?

Revolting has stated that taking them to a shelter would have harmed him economically.
There is also the point that they would have met the same fate at a shelter.

How is killing them at a shelter at an economic loss preferable to killing them on the spot?

Would you have taken a spider to the shelter?
Would the spider even have been accepted by the shelter?
Why does a feral cat have a greater value than a spider?
I believe I could make an arguement that a spider has at least as much value as a feral cat.



So now Revolting is a sociopath?
Is everyone who kills an animal a sociopath in your ethical world view?



So now Revolting gets sexually aroused by killing animals?
This is a pretty serious stretch, are you a Tea Party member by any chance?


Personally I think having ones skull crushed immediately is pretty damn humane as far as death goes.

If all he was doing was crushing the skull, how did he get intestines squirted on him?

 

[Midnight Pete]

Define innocent.

in·no·cence

 –noun
1. the quality or state of being innocent; freedom from sin or moral wrong.

2. freedom from legal or specific wrong; guiltlessness: The prisoner proved his innocence.

3. simplicity; absence of guile or cunning; naiveté.

 

[McBell]

Yes, that is obviously precisely what I define innocent as: Immortal Kangaroos.

Perhaps you are embarrassed by how you define innocent.
That would explain your avoidance of defining the word.

 

[Revoltingest]

Personally I think having ones skull crushed immediately is pretty damn humane as far as death goes.

Were I to be killed, I'd pick this method....or one last sky dive without a chute.
Either way, tis certainly painless. Consider Temple Grandin's work to minnimize
suffering in slaughterhouses....death should be humane, even if by grisly means.
Many may disagree with her work, but meat will be eaten regardless.

 

[McBell]

So, you don't have any no-kill shelters where you live?

I do not know about Revoltingest, but here in my neck of the woods there are not only no "no kill" shelters, but one has to pay a fee to drop animals off as well.
So it pretty much amounts to supporting paid assassinations.