I kill kittens.

[angellous_evangellous]

No offense intended, but you would not last long living on a working farm.

haha - I don't think that she could make it through a bowl of my chili. :no:

 

[Reptillian]

I am just shocked at the attitude towards animals, which should be treated humanely. Killing rats with a pitchfork wouldn't be tolerated either. Mind you the US doesn't have a good track record for humanity to humans let alone animals. How many state still execute murderers, is it 40? Then there is the issue of torturing terror suspects etc. I know I keep saying it, but thank goodness I live in the UK, which is far from perfect, but at least it is preferable to living in a gun toting society.

Here is a link to a site summarizing animal cruelty laws in the United States...just so you don't think we Americans are all a bunch of savage animal torturing monsters.
Stray Pet Advocacy

 

[Father Heathen]

I am just shocked at the attitude towards animals, which should be treated humanely. Killing rats with a pitchfork wouldn't be tolerated either. Mind you the US doesn't have a good track record for humanity to humans let alone animals. How many state still execute murderers, is it 40? Then there is the issue of torturing terror suspects etc. I know I keep saying it, but thank goodness I live in the UK, which is far from perfect, but at least it is preferable to living in a gun toting society.

It's always gotta go there, doesn't it...

 

[BucephalusBB]

Had this been a fly on the tvscreen, this topic would have gone otherwise..

Edit: I think I could come up with a solution to not kill the cats, but that's just because they are fluffy.. I like fluffy

 

[Scuba Pete]

I hope you mean "troll", as in under the Mackinaw Bridge. (That's what Yoopers call us.)
Cats living on mice in a barn are sickly creatures indeed, underfed, prone to infections & short lived.

Then they don't need your intervention. Cat populations are subject to the same population controls as any other species.

But then: you're just hoping to upset people with your OTT callousness. I get it. It hurts me more to see you upsetting people for your own delight than what you did to the kittens. You are the epitome of an internet troll and even admitted that in your original post. It's obvious that your penchant for cruelty extends to anything/one you consider defenseless. I find this repugnant and immoral.

 

[Revoltingest]

I just wonder what the thinking would be from when you first saw the kittens and chose to dispose of them with a shovel.....
Heck, I'd even put them in the dumpster alive rather than do that and clean up the mess.

Wow! I'd never do that. It would be a slow slow unpleasant death.

Consider my goals using a hypothetical shovel:
- Instantaneous death
- No pain whatsoever
- Convenient....the shovel was handy (gardener, you know) & I'm very good with it....or rather, very fell with it.
- Environmentally friendly (no fulminate of mercury primers or lead)

 

[BucephalusBB]

Wow! I'd never do that. It would be a slow slow unpleasant death.

Consider my goals using a hypothetical shovel:
- Instantaneous death
- No pain whatsoever
- Convenient....the shovel was handy & I'm very good with it....or rather, very fell with it.
- Environmentally friendly (no fulminate of mercury primers or lead)

The same could be applied if you would have found a human baby..

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Wow! I'd never do that. It would be a slow slow unpleasant death.

Consider my goals using a hypothetical shovel:
- Instantaneous death
- No pain whatsoever
- Convenient....the shovel was handy (gardener, you know) & I'm very good with it....or rather, very fell with it.
- Environmentally friendly (no fulminate of mercury primers or lead)

That's funny in a very dark way.

If you have to hit the kitten more than once, the death is not instantaneous and there might be some pain.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The same could be applied if you would have found a human baby..

Only if it was furry, had sharp claws, a wet nose and razor sharp teeth....

 

[Revoltingest]

That's funny in a very dark way.

If you have to hit the kitten more than once, the death is not instantaneous and there might be some pain.

One stroke, guaranteed. I took that as absolutely necessary. Suffering was not an option.

 

[BucephalusBB]

Only if it was furry, had sharp claws, a wet nose and razor sharp teeth....

Hé, I am doing my best here to show that many people don't view this as taking life, but killing a possible friend, which is not likelly in case of the fly, possible in a way in case of a human.
Ok, let's just say that would change my point of view on the subject.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

One stroke, guaranteed. I took that as absolutely necessary. Suffering was not an option.

Yeah, I get that. But there's sometimes a difference between what is intended and what happens.

 

[Scuba Pete]

You're kidding yourself if you think that there was no pain.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Hé, I am doing my best here to show that many people don't view this as taking life, but killing a possible friend, which is not likelly in case of the fly, possible in a way in case of a human.
Ok, let's just say that would change my point of view on the subject.

Did you mean to say it like this? I've read it several times and the post seems unclear.

 

[BucephalusBB]

Did you mean to say it like this? I've read it several times and the post seems unclear.

No Problem, yes that was the case.

In my own case that would mean that I would not kill the cats, as I have some sort of affection with them. But I can certainly understand that somebody else would have a totally different feeling.
This can be because of many factors. Maybe Revoltingest grew up in a farmlife in where animals were kept for food and killing seems more normal while Misty grew up with 12 cats in her house all being her personal friend. Or anything in between/anything else.
For me, I grew up with having cats and dogs as friends and flies as irritating objects in front of the tv-screen. I think this might be one of the reasons why I could not easilly kill a cat myself while I do not bother killing the fly.

His solution however is a different thing. As I do not believe in a soul or afterlife, taking away a life if done instantly does not hurt the person/animal you kill. Only the ones that have affection with them. In case of the cats I do not think there will be hurtones left.

Edit, so I pick 4) Neither, but you'd do differently

 

[Father Heathen]

The same could be applied if you would have found a human baby..

Well, society shows us that they too often grow up to be feral pest. So perhaps a smack of the shovel would be ideal.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, I get that. But there's sometimes a difference between what is intended and what happens.

We take chances with everything we do, but reasonable precautions & diligence are our best course, since certainty is unavailable to us.
Example: Every time I drive a car, I run the risk of an accident, & possibly killing an innocent opossum or person. So I drive carefully in a
well maintained vehicle. Perfection in action is the province of gods, not revolting mortals.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

We take chances with everything we do, but reasonable precautions & diligence are our best course, since certainty is unavailable to us.

Example: Every time I drive a car, I run the risk of an accident, & possibly killing an innocent opossum or person. So I drive carefully in a
well maintained vehicle. Perfection in action is the province of gods, not revolting mortals.

I'm not sure that defensive driving and a plea to human imperfection is useful here.

Yes, you run the risk of getting harmed on the road, and you face that problem everytime you get on the road.

What you don't have to deal with daily is the threat of kittens.

 

[Revoltingest]

What you don't have to deal with daily is the threat of kittens.

Funny you should say it that way. Just yesterday, I found 2 kittens in another building. (I left the door open too long, & a family moved in.)
Fortunately, they were old enuf to survive with feral mom's help, so I just set them outside with some food & water (for mom). This was a
different scenario from the other hypothetical situation, & a different response seemed appropriate.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Funny you should say it that way. Just yesterday, I found 2 kittens in another building. (I left the door open too long, & a family moved in.)
Fortunately, they were old enuf to survive with feral mom's help, so I just set them outside with some food & water (for mom). This was a
different scenario from the other hypothetical situation, & a different response seemed appropriate.

Yeah, that's what I would do.

And likely kill them in a few years.