I need Jehovah's Witnesses feed back.Because I always think I am interpreting it right.But am wrong.

[nPeace]

It is your opinion vs my proven facts
Hence not my opinion

My conclusion is a logical one

You think your conclusion is a proven fact? Uh... okay.

 

[nPeace]

How to know Christ's Teaching, and who knows it.

The oldest writings about Christ' life and ministry, are what has been written in the Gospels. Thus, we find Jesus teachings in the Greek scriptures of the Bible.
Writings of the first century, of followers of Christ, are found in subsequent books of the Greek scriptures.
Thus, how we know Christ' teachings, is by studying the Greek scriptures of the Bible.

Who knows these teachings, are

1. those who honestly, and humbly study the Bible, and remain his word... and live it - John 8:31-32; John 13:35
2. those whom Jesus chooses to reveal what may not be easily understood - John 14:25-26
3. those whom God chooses as spirit anointed ones, who will be heirs of the kingdom with his son - the Christ. - John 15:16

 

[YoursTrue]

That would be equivalent to believing that because there are millions of gods worshiped in the world, you can never know which one is The True God. Do you believe this?

No. One reason is that He created the first man and woman. Therefore, as the Creator and originator of life, he has power over who lives and dies, who He reaches and who He does not reach insofar as life and knowledge of Him goes.

 

[YoursTrue]

That was not my point though, I quoted the other person about something else, though I like to follow Christ's Teaching.


...

We'd have to compare what we believe Christ's teachings are in order to decide who follows Christ's teaching and what his teachings are. If I thought that everyone who claims to believe in Christ and/or follows his teachings are acceptable to God, I would accept every teaching said in his name. But I don't. Does that mean I'm right and the others are wrong? I let others decide that. But if I thought I was wrong, I'd change.

 

[stvdv]

You think your conclusion is a proven fact? Uh... okay.

The only thing I said was that very, very few people will be able to bear the suffering of crucifixion like Jesus endured. And that is a fact.

 

[stvdv]

We'd have to compare what we believe Christ's teachings are in order to decide who follows Christ's teaching and what his teachings are. If I thought that everyone who claims to believe in Christ and/or follows his teachings are acceptable to God, I would accept every teaching said in his name. But I don't. Does that mean I'm right and the others are wrong? I let others decide that. But if I thought I was wrong, I'd change.

Why you tell me this?

NOTE: my post you replied to, wasn't about this. And you said you disagree with me.

But how can you disagree with me, if we talk about 2 different things? Care to explain?

 

[Eli G]

No. One reason is that He created the first man and woman. Therefore, as the Creator and originator of life, he has power over who lives and dies, who He reaches and who He does not reach insofar as life and knowledge of Him goes.

And you learned that from the scriptures, right?

Well, equally from the Scriptures you can learn how true Christians should be, what they believe and what they can never believe, what they practice or what they cannot ever practice, how they should be organized, etc.

If you study the Bible, just like you learned about Adam and Eve, you will be able to learn who the real Christians are.

 

[nPeace]

The only thing I said was that very, very few people will be able to bear the suffering of crucifixion like Jesus endured. And that is a fact.

That's all you said!? Oh man. 'nPeace, why don't you learn to read. Bring your head here.' Slap Slap Slap. Now go get a book and sit in the corner, and read it.'

 

[YoursTrue]

And you learned that from the scriptures, right?

Well, equally from the Scriptures you can learn how true Christians should be, what they believe and what they can never believe, what they practice or what they cannot ever practice, how they should be organized, etc.

If you study the Bible, just like you learned about Adam and Eve, you will be able to learn who the real Christians are.

Yes, I learned that from my study of the Bible. Some people are, however, persuaded to practice things not in harmony with the Scriptures as far as I am concerned, even though they claim to be devout Christians or believers.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why you tell me this?

NOTE: my post you replied to, wasn't about this. And you said you disagree with me.

But how can you disagree with me, if we talk about 2 different things? Care to explain?

OK, I'm reviewing the post you responded to. And here's what I wrote: "We'd have to compare what we believe Christ's teachings are in order to decide who follows Christ's teaching and what his teachings are. If I thought that everyone who claims to believe in Christ and/or follows his teachings are acceptable to God, I would accept every teaching said in his name. But I don't. Does that mean I'm right and the others are wrong? I let others decide that. But if I thought I was wrong, I'd change."
So maybe you can give me the post you wrote that you think is different from the one I responded to? Thanks. Sorry about any confusion.

 

[stvdv]

So maybe you can give me the post you wrote that you think is different from the one I responded to? Thanks. Sorry about any confusion.

Thank you. It was just misunderstanding, and I understand, as my original post was in the start of the thread, I had to go way back (link below)
My original post was #9
And
My explanation is #36
(Esp. the words in blue+purple should clarify, see quote below. My original reply was to "...follower of...Christ example"), of which I said/implied "very, very few will be able to 100% follow Christ's example...meaning in this case "being crucified")

See the bold parts I made in your quote:
A Christian is such, only when they are a follower of Christ - his teachings, and example... at least, in God's view

Your 7 points needed for JW come not even close to a Christian who follows Christ His Teachings AND especially example

Meaning at least to be crucified

Hence my use of "100++"

I think this should clarify what I meant. I did not say nor imply that JW are not good followers of Christ's Teachings (on the contrary, I think JW are very sincere, and trying hard to practise Christ's Teachings 24/7)...I just said that "being crucified" is not something many could handle as well as Jesus did (did not make it into JW 7 points as given by nPeace, but it was in the definition of a "good Christian"). Being crucified is 100++ times more difficult, hence my reply.

 

[YoursTrue]

Thank you. It was just misunderstanding, and I understand, as my original post was in the start of the thread, I had to go way back (link below)
My original post was #9
And
My explanation is #36
(Esp. the words in blue+purple should clarify, see quote below. My original reply was to "...follower of...Christ example"), of which I said/implied "very, very few will be able to 100% follow Christ's example...meaning in this case "being crucified")

I think this should clarify what I meant. I did not say nor imply that JW are not good followers of Christ's Teachings (on the contrary, I think JW are very sincere, and trying hard to practise Christ's Teachings 24/7)...I just said that "being crucified" is not something many could handle as well as Jesus did (did not make it into JW 7 points as given by nPeace, but it was in the definition of a "good Christian"). Being crucified is 100++ times more difficult, hence my reply.

oh boy, now I'll have to go back and ponder (?) over those posts. I will give you partially my experience. I used to make fun of Jehovah's Witnesses until it was explained to me that they would follow Jesus unto death. It was at that point I decided to study with them.

 

[stvdv]

oh boy, now I'll have to go back and ponder (?) over those posts.

I will give you partially my experience. I used to make fun of Jehovah's Witnesses until it was explained to me that they would follow Jesus unto death. It was at that point I decided to study with them.

You asked, so I gave
No need to ponder, the quote is clear already (I just gave links for reference)

"Unto death"...I think you can plan to do that, but I also believe that it's God's Grace if "we follow unto death". Of course if we put our mind focused to do so, more Grace might happen at the time of death.

I came to that "death" point 3 times. Each time God interfered in such a way that death was averted. Nice to have had these death-rehearsals; takes the edge off, a bit, of death.

Thank you for sharing your story. I studied with JW for maybe 12 times. Their sincerity is very inspiring indeed

 

[YoursTrue]

You asked, so I gave
No need to ponder, the quote is clear already (I just gave links for reference)

"Unto death"...I think you can plan to do that, but I also believe that it's God's Grace if "we follow unto death". Of course if we put our mind focused to do so, more Grace might happen at the time of death.

I came to that "death" point 3 times. Each time God interfered in such a way that death was averted. Nice to have had these death-rehearsals; takes the edge off, a bit, of death.

Thank you for sharing your story. I studied with JW for maybe 12 times. Their sincerity is very inspiring indeed

Few people want to die. Death is not something God offered to Adam and Eve as a blessing. I was thinking... animals did not have the opportunity to make a choice whether to eat or not eat based on the provision from God. Twelve times! I am impressed. I never stopped but... that's me. Hoping the best for you, thank you.

 

[YoursTrue]

You asked, so I gave
No need to ponder, the quote is clear already (I just gave links for reference)

"Unto death"...I think you can plan to do that, but I also believe that it's God's Grace if "we follow unto death". Of course if we put our mind focused to do so, more Grace might happen at the time of death.

I came to that "death" point 3 times. Each time God interfered in such a way that death was averted. Nice to have had these death-rehearsals; takes the edge off, a bit, of death.

Thank you for sharing your story. I studied with JW for maybe 12 times. Their sincerity is very inspiring indeed

When I said into death, I mean I realized Jehovah's Witnesses would continue serving God and keep their integrity. Naturally no one is perfect but that's not the point. Again, have a good one!

 

[stvdv]

Few people want to die. Death is not something God offered to Adam and Eve as a blessing. I was thinking... animals did not have the opportunity to make a choice whether to eat or not eat based on the provision from God.

I believe in this context of food(choice):
What God gave is way better than what man made

 

[stvdv]

Twelve times!
I am impressed.
I never stopped but... that's me.

Hoping the best for you, thank you.

That sounds arrogant (belittling), don't you think?
I hope, for your sake, that it was not
As, your implications are wrong

 

[YoursTrue]

I believe in this context of food(choice):
What God gave is way better than what man made

Lol. No kidding. Plus killing animals to eat, and I'm not a vegetarian. Yet.

 

[YoursTrue]

That sounds arrogant (belittling), don't you think?
I hope, for your sake, that it was not
As, your implications are wrong

Sorry if it sounded that way.

 

[YoursTrue]

That sounds arrogant (belittling), don't you think?
I hope, for your sake, that it was not
As, your implications are wrong

I thought about this and remembered that I did stop my study once. So again, I apologize.