I never knew that I was a victim of racism.

[Orbit]

What's your point?

If you have to ask....
I am absolutely uninterested in your un-evidenced, uninformed knee-jerk personal opinions about racial issues that you came up with after thinking about it for five minutes. This is not about my opinion vs. your opinion as you seem to think it is. There is an entire body of peer-reviewed empirical and theoretical literature on race in society, by people who have been thinking about the issues for years. I tried to introduce you to one sliver of that literature and all I get back is "academics are racist". If that's the level that your thinking is at, if opinions matter more than knowledge and Google is as good as grad school, there is no basis for a productive discussion.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is that true or did you make it up

It's definitely true. Many of them blame Obama for it. No joke on that. I got to hear all about in Indiana evem after he was gone.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is that true or did you make it up

I did not make that up. I linked a poll that showed that there is a higher percentage of Trump voters that think racism against white people is a problem than the number of Trump supporters think that racism against black people is a problem.

 

[Audie]

I did not make that up. I linked a poll that showed that there is a higher percentage of Trump voters that think racism against white people is a problem than the number of Trump supporters think that racism against black people is a problem.

Hmm

Doubt it

 

[Father Heathen]

Hmm

Doubt it

Weird, but okay.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hmm

Doubt it

What do you doubt? That some (and really far too many) Republicans are out of touch with reality or that racism is bigger problem for whites than it is for black people. If you were familiar with US politics you would know that in the 1960's Republicans began wooing what used to be more racist Democrats. It worked. In the 1950's and earlier the Democrat party was the party that racists tended to belong too. Since the late 60's until today it has been the Republicans.

 

[Audie]

What do you doubt? That some (and really far too many) Republicans are out of touch with reality or that racism is bigger problem for whites than it is for black people. If you were familiar with US politics you would know that in the 1960's Republicans began wooing what used to be more racist Democrats. It worked. In the 1950's and earlier the Democrat party was the party that racists tended to belong too. Since the late 60's until today it has been the Republicans.

You can find " some" people who
will say, or think, or do, anything.

It's the percent that I doubt t

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can find " some" people who
will say, or think, or do, anything.

It's the percent that I doubt t

Okay. Well I do not know how to double check that, but it does go along with the behavior that I have seen from some Republicans.

 

[Audie]

Okay. Well I do not know how to double check that, but it does go along with the behavior that I have seen from some Republicans.

There's nothing that someone won't say or do.
There's no " good guys" side to American politics.

There's enough divisiveness already.


There's nothing good comes from invidious
exaggeration or misrepresentation.

 

[Orbit]

There's nothing that someone won't say or do.
There's no " good guys" side to American politics.

There's enough divisiveness already.


There's nothing good comes from invidious
exaggeration or misrepresentation.

There's plenty of other research that shows the same, including from the Pew Research Center, which is about as unbiased as you can get, and it splits neatly along partisan lines. See for example: Deep Divisions in Americans’ Views of Nation’s Racial History – and How To Address It

 

[Audie]

There's plenty of other research that shows the same, including from the Pew Research Center, which is about as unbiased as you can get, and it splits neatly along partisan lines. See for example: Deep Divisions in Americans’ Views of Nation’s Racial History – and How To Address It

Specifically as @Subduction Zone portrayed it ?

 

[Orbit]

Specifically as @Subduction Zone portrayed it ?

Personally, I've seen tons of survey research that broadly concludes:
1. Whites don't think racism is as big of a problem as Blacks do, with a wide margin
2. Republicans don't think racism is as big of a problem as Democrats do
3. White Republicans think racism against whites is a problem

I don't think what @Subduction Zone posted is controversial at all, especially given that about 30% of the American public believe in ideologies connected to racist conspiracy theories (see my post earlier in this thread).

 

[Kfox]

If you have to ask....

It means you haven’t been very clear.

I am absolutely uninterested in your un-evidenced, uninformed knee-jerk personal opinions about racial issues that you came up with after thinking about it for five minutes. This is not about my opinion vs. your opinion as you seem to think it is. There is an entire body of peer-reviewed empirical and theoretical literature on race in society, by people who have been thinking about the issues for years.

Point to this peer-reviewed empirical and theoretical literature on race in society that I actually objected to. In case you forgot, I objected to his claim that when people say they are color-blind when it comes to racial issues, it keeps these people from even discussing the effects of race and shuts down any discussion on race.
Point to a peer-reviewed empirical and theoretical literature that supports that claim.

I tried to introduce you to one sliver of that literature and all I get back is "academics are racist". If that's the level that your thinking is at, if opinions matter more than knowledge and Google is as good as grad school, there is no basis for a productive discussion.

Don’t assume that just because an academic was right in some cases, that he is right in all cases. They are just as capable as anyone else of being wrong, and in this case; this guy is wrong.

 

[Orbit]

It means you haven’t been very clear.

Point to this peer-reviewed empirical and theoretical literature on race in society that I actually objected to. In case you forgot, I objected to his claim that when people say they are color-blind when it comes to racial issues, it keeps these people from even discussing the effects of race and shuts down any discussion on race.
Point to a peer-reviewed empirical and theoretical literature that supports that claim.

Don’t assume that just because an academic was right in some cases, that he is right in all cases. They are just as capable as anyone else of being wrong, and in this case; this guy is wrong.

Why don't you read his book and then get back to me:

Racism without Racists - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Audie]

Personally, I've seen tons of survey research that broadly concludes:
1. Whites don't think racism is as big of a problem as Blacks do, with a wide margin
2. Republicans don't think racism is as big of a problem as Democrats do
3. White Republicans think racism against whites is a problem

I don't think what @Subduction Zone posted is controversial at all, especially given that about 30% of the American public believe in ideologies connected to racist conspiracy theories (see my post earlier in this thread).

It's not controversial for those who choose to think that way.

But no facts are going to support the initial claim.

And don't bother telling me it's only white Republicans
have detected racism against whites. And Asians.

 

[Orbit]

It's not controversial for those who choose to think that way.

But no facts are going to support the initial claim.

And don't bother telling me it's only white Republicans
have detected racism against whites. And Asians.

You could go to his post and follow his link to the survey. I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's not controversial for those who choose to think that way.

But no facts are going to support the initial claim.

And don't bother telling me it's only white Republicans
have detected racism against whites. And Asians.

No one has claimed that only Republicans are racists. Just about everyone has some degree of racism. It is the amount of each group 's racism that shows there is more racism amongst Republicans than Democrats.

 

[Audie]

No one has claimed that only Republicans are racists. Just about everyone has some degree of racism. It is the amount of each group 's racism that shows there is more racism amongst Republicans than Democrats.

And they say the same about the left.

From over here it all looks very tiresome
and ridiculous. And harmful.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And they say the same about the left.

From over here it all looks very tiresome
and ridiculous. And harmful.

They might. That is silly. They do not seem to be able to come up with any evidence that supports those beliefs. I do not think that you fully understand the politics of the US. Yes, you were here for a few years, but I spent my lifetime, most of it as a Republican I have seen both sides.

 

[Revoltingest]

And they say the same about the left.

From over here it all looks very tiresome
and ridiculous. And harmful.

Democrats are always painting Republicans
as racist. Yes, many are. But they should
turn that keen eye towards their own policies
in housing, zoning, welfare, Affirmative Action
(especially against Asians), & policing.
Institutionalized racism has bi-partisan origins.

And before any knees jerk, this is not a claim
of equivalency. Racism comes in many flavors
& intensities. They're troubling even with
variations between the different sides.