I never knew that I was a victim of racism.

[Orbit]

Democrats are always painting Republicans
as racist. Yes, many are. But they should
turn that keen eye towards their own policies
in housing, zoning, welfare, Affirmative Action
(especially against Asians), & policing.
Institutionalized racism has bi-partisan origins.

But what we're talking about are surveys where Republicans themselves are indicating that they don't think racism is a problem (in most surveys I've seen it breaks down as roughly 70% of Republicans agreeing vs. about 30% of Democrats). SubductionZone posted about a survey where Trump supporters who are white and we can infer Republican think that the real problem is racism against whites. We're taking them at their word. So there are real differences in how people in the two parties think about race. It's hard to do anything about racism socially when one of the major parties doesn't think it exists.

 

[Revoltingest]

But what we're talking about are surveys where Republicans themselves are indicating that they don't think racism is a problem (in most surveys I've seen it breaks down as roughly 70% of Republicans agreeing vs. about 30% of Democrats).

I saw that.
It's been discussed sufficiently.

SubductionZone posted about a survey where Trump supporters who are white and we can infer Republican think that the real problem is racism against whites. We're taking them at their word. So there are real differences in how people in the two parties think about race. It's hard to do anything about racism socially when one of the major parties doesn't think it exists.

The thread has progressed to the point
where the initial can be broadened.
So I responded to Audie's post.
The problem isn't racist Republicans.
It's rampant racism of many types by
broader groups of humans.
We should all consider policies we
advocate in light of dysfunctional
effects.

 

[Audie]

They might. That is silly. They do not seem to be able to come up with any evidence that supports those beliefs. I do not think that you fully understand the politics of the US. Yes, you were here for a few years, but I spent my lifetime, most of it as a Republican I have seen both sides.

Nobody fully gets it.
And sure, I've had a limited exposure,
most of it at NYU.

Racism on the left is variously
different from right ( including self hate for being white)
but it's those differences that sort people out.

You are quite mistaken that no examples of such as
The white saviour / expiate my guilt for
whiteness ndustrial complex. Or your scotus
having to step in re anti asian racism in the Ivy halls.

You guys do yourselves a lot of harm with all ranting and posturing and finger pointing. And stereotyping by
left and right , the only form of bigotry stil acceptable.

 

[Audie]

But what we're talking about are surveys where Republicans themselves are indicating that they don't think racism is a problem (in most surveys I've seen it breaks down as roughly 70% of Republicans agreeing vs. about 30% of Democrats). SubductionZone posted about a survey where Trump supporters who are white and we can infer Republican think that the real problem is racism against whites. We're taking them at their word. So there are real differences in how people in the two parties think about race. It's hard to do anything about racism socially when one of the major parties doesn't think it exists.

Everyone knows there are and always will be
racial problems.
I doubt that survey takes in the subtleties of how anyone feels or what's actually going on.

So i doubt that's an accurate.

" Doesn't think it exists" is bs.

Speaking of impediments to progress

 

[Orbit]

Everyone knows there are and always will be
racial problems.
I doubt that survey takes in the subtleties of how anyone feels or what's actually going on.

So i doubt that's an accurate.

" Doesn't think it exists" is bs.

Speaking of impediments to progress

Translation: "I don't like what the surveys say so they're wrong."

 

[Audie]

Democrats are always painting Republicans
as racist. Yes, many are. But they should
turn that keen eye towards their own policies
in housing, zoning, welfare, Affirmative Action
(especially against Asians), & policing.
Institutionalized racism has bi-partisan origins.

And before any knees jerk, this is not a claim
of equivalency. Racism comes in many flavors
& intensities. They're troubling even with
variations between the different sides.

As I said, the racism is manifested
differently left v right. But it's there.

The way some white people treated
me. So over the top "non racist" is creepy.



Willy sang of how out west you're judged
not for where you come from or going but the
look in your eye.

I spent weeks, total, in Wyoming ranch country
and the straightforward unaffected way people
took me in was so different from the phony
so - correct of the Upper East Side.

 

[Audie]

Translation: "I don't like what the surveys say so they're wrong."

No, but I will take it as racist that you choose
to make up a denigrating comment.

 

[Revoltingest]

As I said, the racism is manifested
differently left v right. But it's there.

The way some white people treated
me. So over the top "non racist" is creepy.



Willy sang of how out west you're judged
not for where you come from or going but the
look in your eye.

I spent weeks, total, in Wyoming ranch country
and the straightforward unaffected way people
took me in was so different from the phony
so - correct of the Upper East Side.

And those Asians....racism there too.
Ain't nobody perfect.

 

[Kfox]

Why don't you read his book and then get back to me:

Racism without Racists - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why don't YOU read the book, then take what you've learned and tell me where I've gone wrong.

 

[Audie]

And those Asians....racism there too.

Oh, for sure. I could go into detail but.

 

[anna.]

As I said, the racism is manifested
differently left v right. But it's there.

The way some white people treated
me. So over the top "non racist" is creepy.



Willy sang of how out west you're judged
not for where you come from or going but the
look in your eye.

I spent weeks, total, in Wyoming ranch country
and the straightforward unaffected way people
took me in was so different from the phony
so - correct of the Upper East Side.

A few weeks in WY and a song isn't enough to know the West.

You guys do yourselves a lot of harm with all ranting and posturing and finger pointing. And stereotyping by
left and right , the only form of bigotry stil acceptable.

The only form of bigotry still acceptable? Oh, I think there are a few more acceptable bigotries out there.

 

[Audie]

A few weeks in WY and a song isn't enough to know the West.



The only form of bigotry still acceptable? Oh, I think there are a few more acceptable bigotries out there.

As if I claimed expertise on the west.

What other bigotry is so universally
acceptable? Even anti atheist can't compare

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nobody fully gets it.
And sure, I've had a limited exposure,
most of it at NYU.

Racism on the left is variously
different from right ( including self hate for being white)
but it's those differences that sort people out.

You are quite mistaken that no examples of such as
The white saviour / expiate my guilt for
whiteness ndustrial complex. Or your scotus
having to step in re anti asian racism in the Ivy halls.

You guys do yourselves a lot of harm with all ranting and posturing and finger pointing. And stereotyping by
left and right , the only form of bigotry stil acceptable.

Solutions to racism are never going to be perfect. I understand that it seems to be unfair to give African Americans a boots in their test scores, but there are good arguments for it. I wish that there was a clear fix to generations of racism. And yes, it is rather disgusting how some more liberal schools went overboard and started to apply racism towards whites and Asians. Also some of our programs have been well meaning, but had negative effects. Welfare used to demand that a woman be single to receive help. That caused many women in need to use men as Baby daddies only. When it comes to helping others simply giving money is often the worst solution. If that is all that one does it can get people addicted to aid. Republicans and Democrats at times have worked together and that is when the best solutions were found. Right now we are faced with a right wing that has gone crazy. I can no longer support them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Democrats are always painting Republicans
as racist. Yes, many are. But they should
turn that keen eye towards their own policies
in housing, zoning, welfare, Affirmative Action
(especially against Asians), & policing.
Institutionalized racism has bi-partisan origins.

And before any knees jerk, this is not a claim
of equivalency. Racism comes in many flavors
& intensities. They're troubling even with
variations between the different sides.

Affirmative Action does have huge problems. But it is better than doing nothing. The problem is that the proper solution would be training and education from an early age, along with help finding those first jobs. But that would take a lot of money. In the long run think that it would pay for itself with more people earning money and contributing to the wealth of the country in general instead of just consuming But once again, no one wants to pay that bill.

 

[Audie]

Solutions to racism are never going to be perfect. I understand that it seems to be unfair to give African Americans a boots in their test scores, but there are good arguments for it. I wish that there was a clear fix to generations of racism. And yes, it is rather disgusting how some more liberal schools went overboard and started to apply racism towards whites and Asians. Also some of our programs have been well meaning, but had negative effects. Welfare used to demand that a woman be single to receive help. That caused many women in need to use men as Baby daddies only. When it comes to helping others simply giving money is often the worst solution. If that is all that one does it can get people addicted to aid. Republicans and Democrats at times have worked together and that is when the best solutions were found. Right now we are faced with a right wing that has gone crazy. I can no longer support them.

I am aware of all these concepts.

Including the one about how the other
party is spoiling everything.

I'm OK not being american

Ohhh my eyes are burning, no sleep all night.

The maid whose English cracks me up
sometimes saw my eyes and said

" Your eye bugs are coming out"

Like in that Men in Black movie? : D

 

[Revoltingest]

Affirmative Action does have huge problems. But it is better than doing nothing.

This depends upon how one balances the
merits & negatives of such discrimination.

The problem is that the proper solution would be training and education from an early age, along with help finding those first jobs. But that would take a lot of money.

It's the better solution.
Affirmative action has costs too.
Supporters don't address those.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You can find " some" people who
will say, or think, or do, anything.

It's the percent that I doubt t

There really is a lot of them though. They think "mexicans" (their word for anyone they think looks of Latino descent, including American citizens which is why I use a lowercase m) get all kinds of protections even though they are here illegally, the insist black people keep popping out kids to get money, Chinese or Japanese it doesn't matter because they're taking over, but if you're white you get no benefits or perks and you get less because everything and everywhere is bound to a hyper sensitive and aggressive version of Affirmative Action. And things were going great and people starting to finally get along until Obama came along and riled up the [anyword word for black people except the respectful ones] and making it ok for them to ridicule white people but white people can't do anything about it. But even many believed you can't fire a black person and at least in Indiana when Trump came along the Confederate flags became an ocean of Trump flags. Amd they also believe there is active discrimination against Christianity and effort to entirely purge it from the public, so what's one more inane fairy tale?
It's common enough I learned all that just listening to people around me and at work. From what I've seen the number is accurate.

 

[metis]

On post #170, I made a point about racists who become a part of academia to spread their poison. This woman sounds like something I was talking about.

And you know this how?

Yes, there will always be some racists in academia and here at RF. So?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

No; the students were preventing white people from entering the gate at the College, and the college allowed this making them complicit. Why are you defending these bigots? If white people do it, it’s wrong; and if black people do it’s wrong. Can we at least agree on that?

I consider this false equivalence. The one who fires first and the one who fires back in self-defense are not moral equals. Bigotry is irrational. For whites to treat blacks differently than whites is irrational, but identifying and resisting your tormentor is not, and does not constitute bigotry or racism.

Consider Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. He is Black, which is a minority. He is also a Republican, which is a minority within the black minority. The vast majority of black voters are Democrat. Why is it OK for the Left to be racist against him Justice Thomas, being a minority within a minority?

The left's objection to Thomas is not race-based. They dislike Alito just as much for his similar ethics, opinions, and agenda.

 

[Kfox]

I consider this false equivalence. The one who fires first and the one who fires back in self-defense are not moral equals.

But the white students didn’t fire back they were forced to comply

Bigotry is irrational. For whites to treat blacks differently than whites is irrational,

There is no indication that ever happened, the bigots did this because of their racism

but identifying and resisting your tormentor is not, and does not constitute bigotry or racism.

Again the whites didn’t resist their tormentors they were forced to comply. Go back and read the article; you’ve obviously missed something