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I never knew that I was a victim of racism.

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Consider how the history of black folks in America differs from that of white people; even specifically, why we have this dichotomy of "black and white" to describe people.
Yes. Keep on reminding others on just how distinctively different they are from one another.

That will solve things.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
There is lots to support against all races

Just because you say it does not make it so. The idea is to point out the weakness you find.
What is racism?

"Racism is the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others.

Race and racism have been central to the organisation of Australian society since European colonisation began in 1788. As the First Peoples of Australia, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples have borne the brunt of European colonisation and have a unique experience of racism. The process of colonisation, and the beliefs that underpin it, continue to shape Australian society today.

Racism adapts and changes over time, and can impact different communities in different ways, with racism towards different groups intensifying in different historical moments. An example of this is the spike in racism towards Asian and Asian-Australian people during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Racism includes all the laws, policies, ideologies and barriers that prevent people from experiencing justice, dignity, and equity because of their racial identity. It can come in the form of harassment, abuse or humiliation, violence or intimidating behaviour. However, racism also exists in systems and institutions that operate in ways that lead to inequity and injustice."



So IMO all races can experience racism.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Are you now admitting that you had no point?

Try to be a clear rational argument. State what you believe and then support it properly.
Haven’t been listening to what I’ve said thus far? I provided a list of things some people will consider to be racist against whites. Now you want me to prove to your satisfaction that some people will find those things racist? If you can’t read what I wrote and agree with what I’ve said, I doubt there is anything else I could say that you would find convincing.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Haven’t been listening to what I’ve said thus far? I provided a list of things some people will consider to be racist against whites. Now you want me to prove to your satisfaction that some people will find those things racist? If you can’t read what I wrote and agree with what I’ve said, I doubt there is anything else I could say that you would find convincing.
:facepalm: you presented them as a Gish Gallop. A fact that you refuse to own up to. As I had to point out to another poster, running around in circles is still running away.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Everybody suffers from racism; it’s just that white folks complain less; but that does not mean they aren’t affected. Some examples are…..

*Minorities at Berkley Blocked white students from entering the gate in an effort to advocate for safe spaces from white people. Imagine the outrage had white students done this?

*Business all over the country openly charging white people more than blacks






And when it comes to institutional racism…….

*Suppose you you get your contractor license and wanna go into business? Well if you are black, the National black contractors association has your back. They will provide opportunities to help you get started…… but only if you are black; if you’re white you're on your own.

And it’s not just contractors it’s for

Lawyers

Surgeon’s

Nurses

And others. Does it really surprise you that some people will actually see these things as racism against whites?

While anyone of any race can be a victim of racism, let's take an honest look at proportions. Systemically and socially, minorities have had a rougher time, hence why organizations that support them make sense. White people don't typically face the same challenges, thus such organizations are unnecessary. It would be like whining about parking spots reserved for the disabled being "unfair" to able bodied drivers.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
:facepalm: you presented them as a Gish Gallop. A fact that you refuse to own up to. As I had to point out to another poster, running around in circles is still running away.
If you had a legitimate response, I'm sure you would have presented it by now. All you've done thus far is make false accusations of me, refrain from refuting a single thing I've said and run around in circles. Unless you can come up with something better to say, I think we're done here.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
From the article:

"Politics, in other words, is the dividing line here — and political dynamics go a long way toward explaining why reparations for Black Americans continue to be so unpopular in the U.S."

I find the framing of that point to be most intriguing.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
If you had a legitimate response, I'm sure you would have presented it by now. All you've done thus far is make false accusations of me, refrain from refuting a single thing I've said and run around in circles. Unless you can come up with something better to say, I think we're done here.
I made an offer due to the fact that you used a Gish Gallop. You ran away from that.. You cannot demand evidence when you screwed up in the first place and then ignored an offer.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
From the article:

"Politics, in other words, is the dividing line here — and political dynamics go a long way toward explaining why reparations for Black Americans continue to be so unpopular in the U.S."

I find the framing of that point to be most intriguing.
Personally I do not think that "reparations" is a valid solution either. Why they brought it up is rather weird to me. Try to correct the underlying racism in the US. That sounds good to me. But if we just pay off black people once and wash our hands of it the problem will only persist.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
While anyone of any race can be a victim of racism, let's take an honest look at proportions. Systemically and socially, minorities have had a rougher time, hence why organizations that support them make sense. White people don't typically face the same challenges, thus such organizations are unnecessary. It would be like whining about parking spots reserved for the disabled being "unfair" to able bodied drivers.
I get what you are saying. But Berkley is about the most progressive, liberal spot on Earth! If there were ever a place where minorities are NOT treated fairly, this place ain’t it! Yet this is the place where minorities wanna take their stand and fight for safe spaces away from white people?
But even if they were justified in doing this (which I believe they are not) there are still people who will look at this event as an example of racism; so my point stands.
 
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Kfox

Well-Known Member
What is racism?

"Racism is the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others.

Race and racism have been central to the organisation of Australian society since European colonisation began in 1788. As the First Peoples of Australia, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples have borne the brunt of European colonisation and have a unique experience of racism. The process of colonisation, and the beliefs that underpin it, continue to shape Australian society today.

Racism adapts and changes over time, and can impact different communities in different ways, with racism towards different groups intensifying in different historical moments. An example of this is the spike in racism towards Asian and Asian-Australian people during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Racism includes all the laws, policies, ideologies and barriers that prevent people from experiencing justice, dignity, and equity because of their racial identity. It can come in the form of harassment, abuse or humiliation, violence or intimidating behaviour. However, racism also exists in systems and institutions that operate in ways that lead to inequity and injustice."



So IMO all races can experience racism.
Hummm..... now if we can only convince some of these other people around here of this.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I get what you are saying. But Berkley is about the most progressive, liberal spot on Earth! If there were ever a place where minorities are NOT treated fairly, this place ain’t it! Yet this is the place where minorities wanna take their stand and fight for safe spaces away from white people.
But even if they were justified in doing this (which I believe they are not) there are still people who will look at this event as an example of racism; so my point stands.
I don't agree with those sanctimonious, hypocritical, and vindictive stunts.
 
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