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Neither will ignoring differences. Racism isn't solved by colorblindness.
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I never knew that I was a victim of racism.
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Neither will ignoring differences. Racism isn't solved by colorblindness.
But the post you quoted suggests the military
leans less so than the general public.
History does not need to be very far from us for things to change; because people change. All one has to do is look around us and see how much things have changed from the days of Rosa Parks and Emmet Till. Senator Robert Byrd was the Grand Wizard of the KKK and during his tenure he changed so much that he renounced his past racist activities and became a champion for civil rights and used his position in the senate to support such causes to the extent that he was a popular voting choice of black people.
Early in the career of Barrack Obama he was clear on Gay Marriage that it should only be between one man and one woman. But by the time he became president, he enacted policies in support of lgbt rights. People change; and it does not have to take long for such changes to happen; a quick look into the real world confirms this.
If we define “colorblindness” as not considering race in how we treat people, not only is racism resolved by colorblindness, I would argue it is most effectively solved by colorblindness.
PureX
Veteran Member
These people are frightened, and angry, and confused. They are seeing the way of life that they grew up with and expected to live and pass on to their kids vanishing, and they're looking for anything and anyone to blame. And unfortunately, that makes them ripe for exploitation by those willing to use that frustration to get them do things that are destructive even to themselves.
Poll: Trump voters say racism against white Americans is a bigger problem than racism against Black Americans
As various reparations efforts across the country attempt to gain momentum, new polling reveals how deep political dynamics go toward explaining why reparations for Black Americans continue to be so unpopular in the U.S.news.yahoo.com
"Donald Trump voters believe that racism against white Americans has become a bigger problem than racism against Black Americans.
The survey of 1,638 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 13-17, shows that among 2020 Trump voters, 62% say that racism against Black Americans is a problem today — while 73% say that racism against white Americans is a problem."
But wait, there is more:
"Asked how much of a problem racism currently is, just 19% of Trump voters describe racism against Black Americans as a “big problem.” Twice as many (37%) say racism against white Americans is a big problem."
I am sorry if I made anyone else feel like a victim too.
They ARE victims, but not of white racial discrimination. They are the victims of a system and culture that has become increasingly controlled and overwhelmed by greed. A culture that is destroying itself from within. And is pitting everyone within it against each other for their economic survival. And because these people can't or won't acknowledge the toxic greed that is destroying their way of life, they are looking to blame whatever out-group is most convenient. And the criminals that are really driving all this greed are only too happy to provide them with any scapegoats they're willing to accept. Because they can use that need to control them, and to distract them, while they continue to rob them and everyone else blind.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It was from Florida's state Board of Education that he has packed and defended: Florida teaching students that slavery benefited Black people is another effort to cover up racism
The article's title is dishonest because
it paints slavery solely as a benefit.
Honesty is a more effective tool to
persuade.
How arrogant do you gotta be in order to assume you know better than they know what their complaint is really about?
PureX
Veteran Member
What part of what I wrote don't you think is true?
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No Slack
Poll: Trump voters say racism against white Americans is a bigger problem than racism against Black Americans
As various reparations efforts across the country attempt to gain momentum, new polling reveals how deep political dynamics go toward explaining why reparations for Black Americans continue to be so unpopular in the U.S.
"Donald Trump voters believe that racism against white Americans has become a bigger problem than racism against Black Americans.
The survey of 1,638 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 13-17, shows that among 2020 Trump voters, 62% say that racism against Black Americans is a problem today — while 73% say that racism against white Americans is a problem."
But wait, there is more:
"Asked how much of a problem racism currently is, just 19% of Trump voters describe racism against Black Americans as a “big problem.” Twice as many (37%) say racism against white Americans is a big problem."
I am sorry if I made anyone else feel like a victim too.
It also says 1638 adults were polled on Bidens performance. 54% disapprove while only 40% approve. 6% were unsure. I guess that settles that Biden is doing a poor job.
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I don't think you are qualified to speak on behalf of people who say they have been a victim of racism. You don't know better than they know; what they have experienced and I think it is arrogant to act as if you do.
PureX
Veteran Member
And yet you can't seem to object reasonably to anything I wrote about them. So I guess I was more "qualified" then you care to admit.
The thing is I don't have to be "qualified" by you or anyone else to proffer my thoughts or opinions on why these people think they are victims of racism when they are clearly not victims of racism. but rather are victims of a culture that no longer serves them as it once did. And that it's not because that culture is now busily serving black people, or Latinos, or gays or whatever other marginal groups these people think are their enemy. It's because it's a culture that's more and more only concerned with serving the rich, at the expense of everyone else. These people were fine when the culture was victimizing those "other people". But now that it's also victimizing them, they're crying crocodile tears over their sudden fall from grace.
That's what happens when you sit by and let those 'other people' be victomized and abused. Sooner or later the abusers will get around to victimizing and abusing you. And no one will care about your suffering just as you never cared about anyone else's. The poison of the rich white capitalist's greed has finally gotten around to victimizing the white American middle class, big time, and now they're crying foul and trying to blame it on the powerless, just as they have always done.
On post #9 I listed some examples of racism against whites as examples of what they might be complaining about.
How do you know how the culture of today has served the people complaining today? It may have served their ancestors, their grand parents; perhaps even their parents, but how do you know it has actually served them?
The problem I find with your line of thinking is you seem to act as if the atrocities of the past were committed by people of today. They weren’t, they were committed by people of the past.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It is amazing. You don't even know what the poll indicated.It also says 1638 adults were polled on Bidens performance. 54% disapprove while only 40% approve. 6% were unsure. I guess that settles that Biden is doing a poor job.
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Who cares about what Republicans think about Biden? The poll indicated that the percentage of racists among Republicans is uncomfortably high.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Actually one of the more surprising results that they reported on was that veterans were LESS likely than the general public to show sympathy for the three extremist ideologies they asked about (Great Replacement, QAnon, and Proud Boys). Another interesting result was that when they broke it down by branch, former Marines were more likely than those from other branches to support extremist ideologies.
One of the panelists was an Army Iraq combat veteran who ran an organization to identify extremist recruiting efforts on the internet, and he said that there were many sites that mixed real information with radicalizing information, making themselves appear more legitimate. He traced their origins to Russian troll farms.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I'm aware things happen, but it's never happened to me and I've definitely seen lots of racism coming from white people.
That was Indiana though. The worse I've seen here was some Native dude who reminded me of so many Hoosiers the way he was rambling about how he hates black people. Amd then there was the Hisoamic Uncle Ruckus I met. That was weird, with the white worship not just being itself extremely weird but also intensely of an awkwardness I have never felt before. I'm obviously safe from him, but wow. This brown guy hates everyone who isn't white so much I was actually surprised when he started speaking Spanish.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What I find interesting with these white supremacists is they claim to love amd value traditional white norms, despite the fact the whiteness didn't exist until what is historically still fairly new. Today it may include Middle Easterners, Northern Africans and many Latinos, but not that long ago there was no white, it was Anglo-Saxon and it did not include Italian or Spainish (or any other traditionally Catholic people), Scott or Irish (or ither Celtic peoples) and especially no Jews or anyone thought to have any black ancestor.
Those in favor of keeping this new concept narrowly defined aren't the types you'd want to invite to a family dinner.
Those in favor of keeping this new concept narrowly defined aren't the types you'd want to invite to a family dinner.
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No Slack
Lol. So its accurate for racism but not accurate for Bidens performance?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, it is accurate for racism. Racism is based upon attitudes and beliefs. If a person is a racist, which the article shows, they are apt to apply that racism. Their opinions about Biden are beliefs also. Beliefs say very little about the performance of the people that they have that belief about.
Why do you have so much trouble understanding this?
We Never Know
No Slack
Lol. You should have looked at the link I posted. Even 21% of dems don't think Biden's performance is good.
Racism is based upon attitudes and beliefs. If a person is a racist, which the article shows, they are apt to apply that racism. Their opinions about Biden are beliefs also. Beliefs say very little about the performance of the people that they have that belief about.
Why do you have so much trouble understanding this?