I never knew that I was a victim of racism.

[Shadow Wolf]

Lol. You should have looked at the link I posted. Even 21% of dems don't think Biden's performance is good.

We aren't talking about Biden's approval rating.

 

[We Never Know]

We aren't talking about Biden's approval rating.

Its in the same link that was posted so its fair game.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Its in the same link that was posted so its fair game.

No. That's way off topic.

 

[PureX]

On post #9 I listed some examples of racism against whites as examples of what they might be complaining about.

The instances are so rare that you had to cite the same one three times to make it look like a "trend".

And people with common interests forming support groups to help each other in life or business is not racism against anyone else. People all over the world have been doing it forever.

How do you know how the culture of today has served the people complaining today?

I'm a part of it.

It may have served their ancestors, their grand parents; perhaps even their parents, but how do you know it has actually served them?

They are still overwhelmingly more prosperous and enabled than the people they are trying to blame for their fall from the graces of white capitalism.

The problem I find with your line of thinking is you seem to act as if the atrocities of the past were committed by people of today. They weren’t, they were committed by people of the past.

I didn't post a word about any atrocities of the past.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol. You should have looked at the link I posted. Even 21% of dems don't think Biden's performance is good.

Republicans thought the same about Trump. You keep making foolish "So what?" arguments in a desperate attempt to change the subject.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Its in the same link that was posted so its fair game.

No, you are just trying to deflect from the topic of the thread. You are not fooling anyone.

 

[wellwisher]

Poll: Trump voters say racism against white Americans is a bigger problem than racism against Black Americans

As various reparations efforts across the country attempt to gain momentum, new polling reveals how deep political dynamics go toward explaining why reparations for Black Americans continue to be so unpopular in the U.S.

news.yahoo.com

"Donald Trump voters believe that racism against white Americans has become a bigger problem than racism against Black Americans.

The survey of 1,638 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 13-17, shows that among 2020 Trump voters, 62% say that racism against Black Americans is a problem today — while 73% say that racism against white Americans is a problem."

But wait, there is more:


"Asked how much of a problem racism currently is, just 19% of Trump voters describe racism against Black Americans as a “big problem.” Twice as many (37%) say racism against white Americans is a big problem."

I am sorry if I made anyone else feel like a victim too.

The problem is the political Left games the system by defining words like racism, in a way to hide their racism. Racism means judging people by their race, period, no matter what their race is. Affirmative action is racist by that definition. The Left defines racism as something only white people do to other races, unless you are a white Democrat, then you get a pass. But in reality, White Democrats call the shots in this new age of systemic racism.

The Supreme Court recently stopped Liberal run colleges from being racist in terms of admissions. Liberal run Colleges now has to be colored blind, which may be hard for them to do. Democrats have been deep down racists, since before the Civil War and slavery. They are working on a legal workaround, to help perpetuate their new systemic racism.

Someone who is not a racist, like Martin Luther King said, judges people by character instead of skin color. Character is something you develop over time based on good living. Character judgment is individual in nature, due to each person's unique experiences in life. The Democrats do not know how to judge people that way, since they are very shallow and pretentious. They default to surface judgments; race, and one size fits all thinking.

 

[Kfox]

The instances are so rare that you had to cite the same one three times to make it look like a "trend".

I just did a google search and saw 3 different articles of chefs unaware they were of the same one. I didn’t notice this; thanks for pointing that out to me.

And people with common interests forming support groups to help each other in life or business is not racism against anyone else. People all over the world have been doing it forever.

So the incident of college students being allowed to prevent white students from entering is not racism against those white people? Would you hold those same views if it were the other way around?
If the people with common interests forming support groups to help each other in life or business were white people, would you still not call it racism?

I'm a part of it.

You are one person, with one culture. There are millions of people in the US and many, many cultures; I am saying you are not qualified to speak on behalf of millions of people, nor are you qualified to speak of the many different cultures that exist in this country. IOW just because you might be white, that does not make you qualified to speak for all white people.

They are still overwhelmingly more prosperous and enabled than the people they are trying to blame for their fall from the graces of white capitalism.

If that were the case, they probably wouldn’t be complaining.

I didn't post a word about any atrocities of the past.

Replace “atrocities” with “crimes”. How do you know everybody complaining saw crimes of the past yet did or said nothing?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The problem is the political Left games the system by defining words like racism, in a way to hide their racism. Racism means judging people by their race, period, no matter what their race is. Affirmative action is racist by that definition. The Left defines racism as something only white people do to other races, unless you are a white Democrat, then you get a pass. But in reality, White Democrats call the shots in this new age of systemic racism.

The Supreme Court recently stopped Liberal run colleges from being racist in terms of admissions. Liberal run Colleges now has to be colored blind, which may be hard for them to do. Democrats have been deep down racists, since before the Civil War and slavery. They are working on a legal workaround, to help perpetuate their new systemic racism.

Someone who is not a racist, like Martin Luther King said, judges people by character instead of skin color. Character is something you develop over time based on good living. Character judgment is individual in nature, due to each person's unique experiences in life. The Democrats do not know how to judge people that way, since they are very shallow and pretentious. They default to surface judgments; race, and one size fits all thinking.

Do they now? If anything you appear to be redefining racism. From the Oxford Languages:

racism

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
"a program to combat racism"

By that definition affirmative action is not racism. It is a program used to try to eliminate the affects of past racism.

Also you are not consistent in your use of adjectives. That tells others that you are not being rational, you are being emotional. if you are going to claim that colleges are "Liberal run" then you need to say the "Fascist Supreme Court". It is best to drop the adjectives all together. If your post is correct and rational they do not help. Instead they harm your cause by telling everyone that you have an extremely prejudiced point of view.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do they now? If anything you appear to be redefining racism. From the Oxford Languages:

racism

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
"a program to combat racism"

By that definition affirmative action is not racism. It is a program used to try to eliminate the affects of past racism.

Affirmative action is institutional discrimination
against whites & Asians. Thus, by your proffered
definition it is racism. It's just racism that the left
really likes. So they call it the pleasant & positive
sounding "affirmative action".

 

[Subduction Zone]

Affirmative action is institutional discrimination
against whites & Asians. Thus, by your proffered
definition it is racism. It's just racism that the left
really likes. So they call it the pleasant & positive
sounding "affirmative action".

Yes, it is discrimination. But does it qualify as "racism"? You forgot this line:

"typically one that is a minority or marginalized."

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, it is discrimination. But does it qualify as "racism"? You forgot this line:

"typically one that is a minority or marginalized."

The word "typically" doesn't exclude
racism against non-minorities.

 

[PureX]

I just did a google search and saw 3 different articles of chefs unaware they were of the same one. I didn’t notice this; thanks for pointing that out to me.

So the incident of college students being allowed to prevent white students from entering is not racism against those white people?

No. It's a legitimate private support group formed by people with similar issues and interests. They can even collect money and use it to bribe public officials to further their own agenda. The Supreme Court says so. White people don't care about any of this at all when it's their own groups doing it. And they've been doing it forever.

Would you hold those same views if it were the other way around?

Of course. It has been the other way around, mostly, for a very long time in this country. It's only more recently that minority groups have chosen to start these kinds of private support groups. And most of them are not based on race. They're based on bringing together people with common problems and goals, and that sometimes includes dealing with the systemic racism that effects them.

I was an active member of AA for years, and they excluded non-alcoholics. Did that make them bigots? Or were they simply trying to stay focused on their own specific problems, and goals?

If the people with common interests forming support groups to help each other in life or business were white people, would you still not call it racism?

Of course not. And they ARE white people in most instances, because most people in this country are white. Also, whether you like it or not, this country is rife with systemic racism, sexism, and above all, classism, and it always has been. Right from it's beginning. And it only makes sense that the people on the short end of all this systemic bigotry band together to try and help each other get through it. AND I SUPPORT THEM in this endeavor, even if I am not invited into their group. Why don't you? Is it because you think their success takes something away from you?

You are one person, with one culture. There are millions of people in the US and many, many cultures; I am saying you are not qualified to speak on behalf of millions of people, nor are you qualified to speak of the many different cultures that exist in this country.

You can say that til the cows come home, and it means nothing. If I'm not qualified to speak my mind about what I am seeing in the words and deeds of others, then neither are you. But that isn't stopping you from judging me, is it? The thing is, I don't care, because I can see that you have no actual objection to make about my observations and conclusions. Which is why you're attacking my right to speak. instead.

IOW just because you might be white, that does not make you qualified to speak for all white people.

I have eyes, a brain, and a voice. That qualifies me to speak as I choose. As it does you. So stop whining about it and pose your logical objections to what I observe happening, here, and the conclusions I draw from it, ... or go figure out why this is an issue for you when you have no clear reasons for it to be.

If that were the case, they probably wouldn’t be complaining.

Replace “atrocities” with “crimes”. How do you know everybody complaining saw crimes of the past yet did or said nothing?

We are all witnessing a multitude of crimes against each other all the time, and we do and say nothing. Many of those crimes are racial, but many more are sexual, and a huge majority of them are economic. Some chef overcharging white tourists in New Orleans, or some college kids creating a black suport group is way, way, WAY, down on the list of crimes we need to be addressing in this country.

And I support those black support groups. I think we need a lot more of that kind of grass roots supprt to combat the systemic racism, sexism and classism that remains rampant in this country. I also support charging rich people more than everyone else for goods and services; God knows they do it to us every way and chance they get!

 

[Subduction Zone]

The word "typically" doesn't exclude
racism against non-minorities.

It sort of does. And dictionary definitions are always very shallow. They have to be. There are countless words that they have to define. But did not feel like going more in depth by linking an article that does into how hate and fear are usually causes of racism. That would again leave out affirmative actions.

 

[wellwisher]

While anyone of any race can be a victim of racism, let's take an honest look at proportions. Systemically and socially, minorities have had a rougher time, hence why organizations that support them make sense. White people don't typically face the same challenges, thus such organizations are unnecessary. It would be like whining about parking spots reserved for the disabled being "unfair" to able bodied drivers.

The flawed premise is based on a plagiarism of the concept of original sin. In Original sin, all humans have a sin at birth, due to Adam and Eve, even you did not eat the apple. We will ask the Atheists if that makes sense?

The flawed racist/reparation premise is a derivative of this; all modern Whites have an original sin, connected to slavery, even if you are not born yet or personally did nothing wrong. The flawed premise also assume all blacks share this pain, even if not born yet or never directly involved. The flawed premise allows you to accept credit or blame, for something not directly connected to you. There is no science to support that type of distortion of time and space. It is a Lefty rabbit hole.

If anything since the foundation premise is a knockoff from a basic religious concept, separation of church and state applies, and Government cannot promote and establish this religion. Read the first Ammedment. Government cannot establish any religion; original sin cult. Each person has a right to fair trial. Affirmative action would have to go case by case and not one Lefty religion size fits all.

In Affirmative action, innocent people were discriminated; mostly white males, while others gained an advantage. This is a real time injustice based on Democrats establishing a religion in Government based on original sin. I have no problem with there being reparations, to those real live victims, who are well documented, We could punishment the thugs who enforced this illegal government religion of original sin by taking over their jobs. Cause and affect adds up, justice served and no new victims created.

 

[Father Heathen]

The flawed premise is based on a plagiarism of the concept of original sin. In Original sin, all humans have a sin at birth, due to Adam and Eve, even you did not eat the apple. We will ask the Atheists if that makes sense?

The flawed racist/reparation premise is a derivative of this; all modern Whites have an original sin, connected to slavery, even if you are not born yet or personally did nothing wrong. The flawed premise also assume all blacks share this pain, even if not born yet or never directly involved. The flawed premise allows you to accept credit or blame, for something not directly connected to you. There is no science to support that type of distortion of time and space. It is a Lefty rabbit hole.

If anything since the foundation premise is a knockoff from a basic religious concept, separation of church and state applies, and Government cannot promote and establish this religion. Read the first Ammedment. Government cannot establish any religion; original sin cult. Each person has a right to fair trial. Affirmative action would have to go case by case and not one Lefty religion size fits all.

In Affirmative action, innocent people were discriminated; mostly white males, while others gained an advantage. This is a real time injustice based on Democrats establishing a religion in Government based on original sin. I have no problem with there being reparations, to those real live victims, who are well documented, We could punishment the thugs who enforced this illegal government religion of original sin by taking over their jobs. Cause and affect adds up, justice served and no new victims created.

What a bizarre, long winded non sequitur.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The flawed premise is based on a plagiarism of the concept of original sin. In Original sin, all humans have a sin at birth, due to Adam and Eve, even you did not eat the apple. We will ask the Atheists if that makes sense?

Of course it does not make sense. Why does anyone believe that myth today? It is a major failing of the educational system that believers do not see the clear flaws in that myth when one makes the error of reading the Bible literally,.

The flawed racist/reparation premise is a derivative of this; all modern Whites have an original sin, connected to slavery, even if you are not born yet or personally did nothing wrong. The flawed premise also assume all blacks share this pain, even if not born yet or never directly involved. The flawed premise allows you to accept credit or blame, for something not directly connected to you. There is no science to support that type of distortion of time and space. It is a Lefty rabbit hole.

Whoa! No one was suggesting reparations here. So the rest of that section is bogus.

If anything since the foundation premise is a knockoff from a basic religious concept, separation of church and state applies, and Government cannot promote and establish this religion. Read the first Ammedment. Government cannot establish any religion; original sin cult. Each person has a right to fair trial. Affirmative action would have to go case by case and not one Lefty religion size fits all.

This is not a religion. Where are you getting that from? Are you now just grasping at any straw that you see floating by?

In Affirmative action, innocent people were discriminated; mostly white males, while others gained an advantage. This is a real time injustice based on Democrats establishing a religion in Government based on original sin. I have no problem with there being reparations, to those real live victims, who are well documented, We could punishment the thugs who enforced this illegal government religion of original sin by taking over their jobs. Cause and affect adds up, justice served and no new victims created.

Not exactly. What is done is to try to elevate students that suffered from unequal support for all of their life. Yes, some lower level white students will be left out and some minorities will be let in that would not have been otherwise. But that does not make it "unfair discrimination". You would have to prove that they give too much credit to minorities to over come the inherent racism in our system right now.

 

[Kfox]

No. It's a legitimate private support group formed by people with similar issues and interests.

No it’s not; Berkley is a state college and at state colleges you are not allowed to discriminate against based on race

White people don't care about any of this at all when it's their own groups doing it. And they've been doing it forever.

White people aren’t doing this, Racist minorities are! y.

Of course. It has been the other way around, mostly, for a very long time in this country.

I’m not talking bout what happened many years ago, I’m talking about what’s happening NOW. If a group of white racists at a college were allowed by staff, to take over a highly traffic pathway forcing non-whites from entering; forcing them to enter through the back due to a perceived need for white safe spaces, would you defend this practice?

Of course not. And they ARE white people in most instances,

Is this just another one of your empty claims? Or do you have an outside source confirming white support groups helping white people in business. If this is more than another empty claim, provide the evidence.

You can say that til the cows come home, and it means nothing. If I'm not qualified to speak my mind about what I am seeing in the words and deeds of others, then neither are you. But that isn't stopping you from judging me, is it? The thing is, I don't care, because I can see that you have no actual objection to make about my observations and conclusions. Which is why you're attacking my right to speak. instead. I have eyes, a brain, and a voice. That qualifies me to speak as I choose. As it does you.

Though you have the right to speak your mind, you do not have the right to speak your mind and insist everybody who hears you agree with you. If I see nothing but BS coming outta your mouth, I’m gonna call you on it!
With that said, I have no doubt you have seen some racism from white people as you said; but that does not mean what you saw is typical of all white people.

I support those black support groups. I think we need a lot more of that kind of grass roots

Supporting black groups does not mean you have to condone hatred against whites.

 

[Revoltingest]

It sort of does.

I underlined the problematic qualifier.

And dictionary definitions are always very shallow. They have to be. There are countless words that they have to define. But did not feel like going more in depth by linking an article that does into how hate and fear are usually causes of racism. That would again leave out affirmative actions.

"Affirmative" is a positive sounding prefix designed
to manipulate. "Action" is so broad as to be without
much meaning, other than to hide the fact that this
is intentional discrimination based upon race & sex.

Parsing definitions, & gussying up labels doesn't
change the fundamental race & sex discrimination.
But it helps "progressive" fans feel relieved about
using discrimination to achieve good (for some at
the expense of others).

But let's set aside the etymological arguments.
Discrimination on the basis of race is prohibited
by the 14th Amendment. Many believe that
racial discrimination is useful to change society
into what they want. But is their approach moral
&/or legal?
I find that allowing government to get away with
unconstitutional acts & policies is dangerous.
And discrimination on the basis of race is wrong.
Hence my opposition to affirmative action.

 

[We Never Know]

Republicans thought the same about Trump. You keep making foolish "So what?" arguments in a desperate attempt to change the subject.

"Republicans thought the same about Trump"

That is a classic "so what" argument lol