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I never knew that I was a victim of racism.

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And although they'll claim they aren't racists, you won't find a non-white face among them.
No, you're just way over generalizing to the point of racism. No non-white faces? A group I belong to here that promotes interests of people that includes white people and is largely more accepted and tolerated by white people has so many brown faces they hold some meetings in Spanish. And definitely don't be surprised if you see a black person at a Sierra Club meeting.
There are countless thousands of groups and clubs and business and neighborhood associations created by white people for the purpose of promoting the agendas of the white people involved in them. I'll bet if you looked around you'd find ten of them right in your own area. And although they'll claim they aren't racists, you won't find a non-white face among them. Because the agendas they are pushing only really appeal or apply to white people.
If it's promoting agendas of white people, why would there be people there who aren't white? What is the agenda if white people, anyways? I didn't know I had one and I'm pretty white.
White people are just now discovering this? Even after they been engaged in it for eons? And especially so here in the U.S.?
No, you're just judging by skin color.
 
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Kfox

Well-Known Member
We get to turn to more specific things, areas where again we see traditional oppression such as against women amd thise with physical handicaps and mental illness as well as the poor.
That's a different conversation. He said there are programs in place that help white people to the exclusion of black and brown people; I want to see his evidence of this. First things first, then we can move on to other stuff.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Really? Who are these people you speak of?

Bob, Jenny, Harry...



Nah, just kidding. It's a mathematical inference.
From the OP;

"The survey of 1,638 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 13-17, shows that among 2020 Trump voters, 62% say that racism against Black Americans is a problem today — while 73% say that racism against white Americans is a problem."

So there are at least 11% of respondents who believe racism against whites is a problem, and racism against blacks is not. That surprises me.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That surprises me.
Just because you don't live here. Get a bunch of honky American crackers together, even before Trump they were swearing white people have it bad and insisting Obama made things worse by stiring up anti-white resentments in black people. The cry and whine over nonexistence "Affirmative Action on crack" laws. And it's like Indiana, hear only Enlgish in your daily life in a state with only a few isolated pockets of Latinos and relentlessly complain about how "there's a lot of Mexicans here."
 

PureX

Veteran Member
No; the students were preventing white people from entering the gate at the College, and the college allowed this making them complicit. Why are you defending these bigots?
First, I don't velieve that happened. Second, if it did, it was not with the school's agreement. Simply because the school would have no reason to agree to that. It's just more lies from the right wing echo chamber.
If white people do it, it’s wrong; and if black people do it’s wrong. Can we at least agree on that?
Breaking the law is not a skin color issue. Why are you insisting on making it one?
Where is this happening? Point to a place where white people are doing this and I will stand next to you and protest it. But you gotta point it out first; then we can protest
Rotory Club, Elk's Club, Shriner's Club, Usher's Club, your local Country Club, your neighborhood associations, all made up of white people intent on promoting agendas that white people care about.
No; YOU are trying to change the subject. Answer my question; if whites were doing this against blacks, would you condone it?
Breaking the law is not a racial issue. Why are you so intent on making it one. No one cares what color sking the man has that robs the grovery store, but a bigot.
It’s only obvious to you. Provide evidence so it can become obvious to me.
Tgere is no evence that will convince you because you are determined that there is no evidence that will convince you. No one can open your mind, for you. You have to do that for yourself. And you are clearly determined not to.
I’ve already said I have no doubt your experiences are real; my only doubt is if they represent most white people.
People are people. Skin color has nothing to do with it.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
No, you're just way over generalizing to the point of racism. No non-white faces? A group I belong to here that promotes interests of people that includes white people and is largely more accepted and tolerated by white people has so many brown faces they hold some meetings in Spanish. And definitely don't be surprised if you see a black person at a Sierra Club meeting.
One group. Wow, what amazingly miniscule anecdotal proof that I'm wrong! How embarrassing for me!
If it's promoting agendas of white people, why would there be people there who aren't white? What is the agenda if white people, anyways? I didn't know I had one and I'm pretty white.
Yeah, that's a common trait of white privilege: not being able to see it when it's everywhere.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
One group. Wow, what amazingly miniscule anecdotal proof that I'm wrong! How embarrassing for me!
I can't belong to them all. And one is all it takes to unravel your over generalization.

Yeah, that's a common trait of white privilege: not being able to see it when it's everywhere.
That's just dodging my question. I didn't even mention white privilege but asked what is a "white agenda"? White people have traditionally never bonded or grouped together for being white, many still don't, so what is this agenda?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I can't belong to them all. And one is all it takes to unravel your over generalization.
You don't really understand what a generalization is, do you.
That's just dodging my question. I didn't even mention white privilege but asked what is a "white agenda"? White people have traditionally never bonded or grouped together for being white, many still don't, so what is this agenda?
What planet do you live on, anyway?
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Yes, it is discrimination. But does it qualify as "racism"? You forgot this line:

"typically one that is a minority or marginalized."
Consider Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. He is Black, which is a minority. He is also a Republican, which is a minority within the black minority. The vast majority of black voters are Democrat. Why is it OK for the Left to be racist against him Justice Thomas, being a minority within a minority?

This is racism scam in a nutshell. It really adds up to a political line in the sand, since this minority of a minority is not treated with the kid gloves implied by Diversity, Inclusion and Equity. The Democrats win the popular vote, which makes Republicans the minority, but again the line in the sand still favors the Democrat Party. The purpose of this scam is to install Democrats operatives, into all area of culture, under the deception of racism and sexism. Many cannot get there based on achievement, alone. The Democrats promote victimhood and not winners.

Ron DeSantis is part of the Latino Minority, but since the real line in the sand is not equity for minorities, but Party affiliation, he is not protected by the same compassionate logic. This is why this scam is being dismantled. There is Gay Republican Representative from NY, who is cheated to get his seat. He does not get a free affirmation action pass from the Democrats. Instead they finally learned how to be just, basing his seat on merit and not the logic of affirmation action; chosen class, over merit.

Black lives matter, while most to the black killed are by other blacks in Democrat run cites like Chicago. However, only the criminal blacks get extra rights. The victim blacks are ignored. It is strange line in the sand; birds of a feather, seem to be based on criminality, not just being black in Chicago.

The history of slavery in the USA, had the vast majority of slaves owned by the white Democrats in the South. The industrial north had plenty of immigrants, like the Irish to act as semi-slaves. Yet only white Democrats are exempt from being labeled racist. The Party of Lincoln is targeted. This also shows this deception scam is really about party lines, not the compassion that is sold.

How about all future affirmative action only target white Democrats to make up for their political scam and shady past? The majority of Slavery, Jim Crow laws, and segregation all can be traced to the southern Democrat Party. Why target the party of Lincoln, who fought against the two faced monsters, to free the slaves? If you Democrats can get your target scapegoats, to match your words of comparison and concern, it won't be so hypocritical.
 
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PureX

Veteran Member
Consider Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. He is Black, which is a minority. He is also a Republican, which is a minority within the black minority. The vast majority of black voters are Democrat. Why is it OK for the Left to be racist against him Justice Thomas, being a minority within a minority?

This is racism scam in a nutshell. It really adds up to a political line in the sand, since this minority of a minority is not treated with the kid gloves implied by Diversity, Inclusion and Equity. The Democrats win the popular vote, which makes Republicans the minority, but again the line in the sand still favors the Democrat Party. The purpose of this scam is to install Democrats operatives, into all area of culture, under the deception of racism and sexism. Many cannot get there based on achievement, alone. The Democrats promote victimhood and not winners.

Ron DeSantis is part of the Latino Minority, but since the real line in the sand is not equity for minorities, but Party affiliation, he is not protected by the same compassionate logic. This is why this scam is being dismantled. There is Gay Republican Representative from NY, who is cheated to get his seat. He does not get a free affirmation action pass from the Democrats. Instead they finally learned how to be just, basing his seat on merit and not the logic of affirmation action; chosen class, over merit.

Black lives matter, while most to the black killed are by other blacks in Democrat run cites like Chicago. However, only the criminal blacks get extra rights. The victim blacks are ignored. It is strange line in the sand; birds of a feather, seem to be based on criminality, not just being black in Chicago.

The history of slavery in the USA, had the vast majority of slaves owned by the white Democrats in the South. The industrial north had plenty of immigrants, like the Irish to act as semi-slaves. Yet only white Democrats are exempt from being labeled racist. The Party of Lincoln is targeted. This also shows this deception scam is really about party lines, not the compassion that is sold.

How about all future affirmative action only target white Democrats to make up for their political scam and shady past? The majority of Slavery, Jim Crow laws, and segregation all can be traced to the southern Democrat Party. Why target the party of Lincoln, who fought against the two faced monsters, to free the slaves? If you Democrats can get your target scapegoats, to match your words of comparison and concern, it won't be so hypocritical.
What a silly load of right wing crap.

No one cares that Clarence Thomas is black. Just that he's an ignorant, corrupt judge.

The places with the highest murder rates are in the smaller republican controlled cities.

There are no "democratic operatives". When you use terms like that we all know you're just regurgitating the crap you hear from right wing conspiracy media.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
History does not need to be very far from us for things to change; because people change. All one has to do is look around us and see how much things have changed from the days of Rosa Parks and Emmet Till. Senator Robert Byrd was the Grand Wizard of the KKK and during his tenure he changed so much that he renounced his past racist activities and became a champion for civil rights and used his position in the senate to support such causes to the extent that he was a popular voting choice of black people.
Early in the career of Barrack Obama he was clear on Gay Marriage that it should only be between one man and one woman. But by the time he became president, he enacted policies in support of lgbt rights. People change; and it does not have to take long for such changes to happen; a quick look into the real world confirms this.

People do change, and things are certainly better than they used to be. However, ignoring the problems that are still there because there's improvement isn't going to continue the improvement. Consider that part of the problem deals with how folks with a certain lack of melanin also benefited from the history of American race relations while those with high melanin have had to continually fight for improvements.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Bob, Jenny, Harry...



Nah, just kidding. It's a mathematical inference.
From the OP;

"The survey of 1,638 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 13-17, shows that among 2020 Trump voters, 62% say that racism against Black Americans is a problem today — while 73% say that racism against white Americans is a problem."

So there are at least 11% of respondents who believe racism against whites is a problem, and racism against blacks is not. That surprises me.
Would you be surprised if a survey of Biden supporters said at least 11% of respondents said racism against blacks are a problem but against white people is not?
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Would you be surprised if a survey of Biden supporters said at least 11% of respondents said racism against blacks are a problem but against white people is not?

Nope.
But if you're trying to paint an equivalency, I don't see it.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Bob, Jenny, Harry...



Nah, just kidding. It's a mathematical inference.
From the OP;

"The survey of 1,638 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 13-17, shows that among 2020 Trump voters, 62% say that racism against Black Americans is a problem today — while 73% say that racism against white Americans is a problem."

So there are at least 11% of respondents who believe racism against whites is a problem, and racism against blacks is not. That surprises me.

It doesn't really surprise me when looking over how the media have portrayed society and presented it to the masses (through most of my life). Corporations, government agencies, educational institutions, and various other agencies and organizations have made quite an effort to promote diversity and present themselves as racially-balanced and non-discriminatory. If not, many would be called out on it.

Anyone who was called out for being discriminatory or racist would get fired/cancelled/boycotted - which leads people to think "Well, it looks society has a handle on this issue and it's being actively resolved." When Jimmy the Greek got fired in 1988 for making racist remarks, it made it appear that the corporations and the political/legal authorities had a zero-tolerance attitude towards racism, which, in the eyes of white people, makes it nearly impossible for whites to be even BE racist and be able to get away with it. At the same time, they might see negative things spoken about white people by non-white people and perceive that they're being given a bit more indulgence in that area.

There's a group on Reddit where they satirize negative statements made about "whites" or "white males" and rephrase them to make it appear as if another group is being targeted.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It occurred to me that when affirmative
action was invented, it never had an
inspirational promotional song.
Well, you're all lucky that I'm here.

Do you know The Vatican Rag?
If not, here's the tune.
Give it a listen first.

The Diversity Rag
First you get down on one knee,
Swear oaths to diversity.
Bow your head with great respect,
And misdirect, misdirect, misdirect!

Make a label that will seem
legal with that court, Supreme.
Action is affirmative.
There is nothing to forgive.
Do'n the Diversity Rag!

Get in line in that processional,
Step into that hall congressional,
There, the pols who once liked slavery
decide if your skin shade's unsavory.
If it is, then step aside now,
Someone tanner gets that highbrow
Ed...u...ca...tion.
Let the schools discriminate!

So get down upon your knee,
Swear oaths to diversity.
Bow your head with great respect,
And misdirect, misdirect, misdirect!

Don't see this as a bad omen.
When in Rome do like a Roman,
At least it's not sharia.
Gee it's good to see ya,
We're democratic &
get'n dogmatic &
do'n the Diversity Rag!
 
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fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Would you be surprised if a survey of Biden supporters said at least 11% of respondents said racism against blacks are a problem but against white people is not?
Shocked that the number was that low. But I guess it depends on the exact wording of the question and what the other options were.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
First, I don't velieve that happened. Second, if it did, it was not with the school's agreement. Simply because the school would have no reason to agree to that. It's just more lies from the right wing echo chamber.
So what do you think really happened? You think the article was completely fabricated, and none of the people involved chose to point this out? Is there anything that would convince you this could actually happen? Or is your mind closed.
Rotory Club, Elk's Club, Shriner's Club, Usher's Club, your local Country Club, your neighborhood associations, all made up of white people intent on promoting agendas that white people care about.
If that were the case, they wouldn’t have so many black and brown people who are members of those clubs. Care to try again?
Breaking the law is not a racial issue. Why are you so intent on making it one. No one cares what color sking the man has that robs the grovery store, but a bigot.
What happened to Emmit Till was against the law. Are you seriously gonna tell me skin color had nothing to do with his murder?
Tgere is no evence that will convince you because you are determined that there is no evidence that will convince you. No one can open your mind, for you. You have to do that for yourself. And you are clearly determined not to.
If evidence existed, you would be happy to present it. You have no evidence so instead of admitting, you accuse me of being closed minded giving yourself an excuse to not even try to support your claim.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
People do change, and things are certainly better than they used to be. However, ignoring the problems that are still there because there's improvement isn't going to continue the improvement. Consider that part of the problem deals with how folks with a certain lack of melanin also benefited from the history of American race relations while those with high melanin have had to continually fight for improvements.
I think it would be a mistake to assume all white people today are benefiting from past racism, and all blacks are still suffering from it.
 
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