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I see no value in atheism

Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Mestemia said:
The actual reality of what atheism is about is merely the lack of belief in a deity.
Though some take it a step or two further and claim there is no deity at all.

Beyond that, it is nothing more than the same window dressing/fluff religions use to distinguish between themselves.
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Atheism isn't an absence of belief, it is a belief system rejecting theism....atheists believe just like theists..only one believes there is a God, and you believe there isn't ...or are you in denial?
 
Curious George

Curious George

Veteran Member
Nakosis said:
Because it is the way I use the word. Man is the arbiter of the manner of which he chooses his words. If you wish to apply additional meanings or definitions when you choose to use the word, it is fine. However it has no relevance to my use of it.

You tell me when you use the word, what you mean by it fine. I'll understand when you use it what you mean by it. If I use it and I clearly define my use of it, it is not necessary that you accept it, only that you understand my intended meaning when I use it.

Unless you wish to argue that I am not allow to determine the meaning behind the words I choose to use.
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Nope, I am with you completely. As long as you recognize that your definition is based on your own personal whim, I am with you. While we can spend days arguing about which definition is "better" or " more reasoned,"
we will need to have a definition in order to discuss issues. My challenge is to the people who assert atheist must mean...
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Mestemia said:
Perhaps a huge font will help?

Lack of a belief in a deity

Did that help?
Do you understand it THIS time?
I mean, it isn't as if you haven't been hammered with it ad nauseum this thread.
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Denying belief is silly, but I want to hear your explanation....not atheist propaganda...
 
McBell

McBell

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ben d said:
Atheism isn't an absence of belief,
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Yes it is.
See, here is where you ONCE AGAIN completely ignore definitions you dislike.

ben d said:
it is a belief system rejecting theism....
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For some, yes it is.
For some, no it isn't.

ben d said:
atheists believe just like theists..
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This is nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.

ben d said:
only one believes there is a God, and you believe there isn't ...
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Back to your false dichotomy.
I have no active belief of god.
I do not believe god exists.
I do not believe god does not exist.

Your inability to comprehend that fact says nothing about me and everything about you.

ben d said:
or are you in denial?
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No, I am in the USA.

I merely lack a belief, either way, concerning god.
 
McBell

McBell

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ben d said:
Denying belief is silly, but I want to hear your explanation....not atheist propaganda...
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let me explain...

I do not have an active belief about god.
I do not believe god exists.
I do not believe god does not exist.

Once again, your inability to comprehend that fact says every thing you about and nothing about me.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Mestemia said:
Yes it is.
See, here is where you ONCE AGAIN completely ignore definitions you dislike.


For some, yes it is.
For some, no it isn't.


This is nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.


Back to your false dichotomy.
I have no active belief of god.
I do not believe god exists.
I do not believe god does not exist.

Your inability to comprehend that fact says nothing about me and everything about you.


No, I am in the USA.

I merely lack a belief, either way, concerning god.
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Ok......do you believe God exists?
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Mestemia said:
same has been said about your argument...

But you don't hear me whining about it...
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But we just heard you whining......this..."This above quoted post is nothing more than an emotional pile of bull ****."....

Do you believe in atheism....that's the question?
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Mestemia said:
Do you even read the posts you reply to?

I have to say you do not seeing as I flat out answer that question in the very post your question is in reply to.
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I will keep asking until you provide a relevant response....do you believe that God doesn't exist or does exist?
 
Bunyip

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Nakosis said:
We can choose what to believe based on whatever reasoning. Maybe though we can't choose what to disbelieve. When faced with experience or knowledge gain through some means that the truth that we based that belief on is false.

I believe something based on whatever information I have about it. I determine or it is proven to me that information is false, I can no longer honestly support the belief.

Isn't that what we do? Chip away at the truth of the information which is supporting the belief which has been chosen?

Once we have found cause to disbelieve can we ignore that?
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I can't see how it makes any sense at all to imagine belief is a choice.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Mestemia said:
let me explain...

I do not have an active belief about god.
I do not believe god exists.
I do not believe god does not exist.

Once again, your inability to comprehend that fact says every thing you about and nothing about me.
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But answer this simple straight forward unambiguous question...so you believe God does not exist?
 
Bunyip

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
JoStories said:
What else would you call them or what they do or stand for? If atheists are non choice and the de facto position, why is there an organization at all? The point would seem to be moot, IMO.
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How does that follow? Sure, it is the de facto position - why would that mean that atheists can't form groups?
 
Bunyip

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
JoStories said:
So, if I am reading you correctly, my belief in God is not choice, it's ....what?
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It is what you believe. We do not choose what we believe.
In the absence of overt evidence, what else can it be but belief? You see to imply that there is no choice. If that is true, why are there so many religious denominations and faiths? If it's not choice, it should be overtly ubiquitous.
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What on earth has the number of different religions got to do with whether or not belief is a choice? Your arguments don't make sense.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Mestemia said:
Already answered.
In fact, it has already been flat out answered in at least TWO posts.

1065 and 1067
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Well then it should not be a problem to answer it again, the question is not a trick one...and the answer is either yes or no.... Do you believe there is no God?
 
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