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I see no value in atheism
- Thread starter The Transcended Omniverse
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McBell
Unbound
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
That mean you believe god exists....
McBell
Unbound
false dichotomy.That mean you believe god exists....
You really should look it up and understand it before you come back to the thread.
i know you won't, you are to egotistic to even consider that you are flat out wrong.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
But you have been thread bombing me.....so why do this if you do not take me seriously?
You are denying that atheists believe that God does not exist...as if by changing the words around changes the reality. So childish...
By saying that you do not believe in God does not change the fact that you are in belief mode...your mind could not be empty of the memory of rejecting God, as you would not then be an atheist....the continuance of that memory is a belief....all atheists believe in the rejection of God....
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
'Believe in the rejection' huh? Again Ben , that is just bad grammer, not an argument.
Look at this sentence: I did not not go to the shop today.
It is a very bad way of writing: I went to the shop today.
As a more contextual example: I believe in no god.
Is just a bad way of writing: I do not believe in god.
Unfortunately, no degree of semantic word play actually changes a disbelief into a positive claim.
Unification
Well-Known Member
Such is true, then getting even deeper, there is no such thing as a true atheist, it is the same delusion and imagination that an atheist opposes.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Ok Bunyip...here goes...
"I do not believe in god" ........has the same meaning as....."I believe in no god"
So here is a question for you.....do you believe in Atheism?....simple yes or no answer please?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
No ot doesn't Ben.
No.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Yes ot does Bunyip....Using your profound understanding of English grammar, prove to me that it does not have the same meaning...
....and please no answer me this.....do you believe in theism? yes or no....
outhouse
Atheistically
Provide sources for that one. Your opinion could be viewed as anything but academic.
outhouse
Atheistically
No it is not. You just want to create your own definition, you can for your personal use. But the rest of the academic world moves on with the current understanding of implicit and explicit atheism as well as strong and weak atheism.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Ok...do you believe God does exist or does not exist? Simple yes or no is all that is required....
If you think the grammar or anything is not perfectly correct so far as English language is concerned...please feel free to call it out?
Unification
Well-Known Member
Keeping it simple, there is no positive evidence that an atheist or that atheism exists.
outhouse
Atheistically
I know no god exist. Its a difference from belief. 1 + 1 = 2 I don't believe the answer is 2 I know it is.
So your question is fallacious. It would be the same as asking if I believe in 2
outhouse
Atheistically
Your not keeping anything simple.
Positive evidence is not required. It is a fallacious statement on your part.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
I think he means that atheists attempting to create their own interpretation of the English language mean they are not honest.... It is one thing to believe God does not exist, that is honest, but to rearrange the words and make out it is not a belief, but an absence of belief is just plain dishonest and thus not true! I happen to agree 100% with him....
outhouse
Atheistically
That's may be your opinion, but it is not academic.
You don't have to like the current definition or accept it. But your disapproval does not change the current status of the definition that absence of belief qualifies one to not be a theist.
What do you call someone who is not a theist?
Curious George
Veteran Member
Actually, "I believe in no god" is grammatically correct. Consider for comparison the famous "I fear no evil."
outhouse
Atheistically
Supply credible sources.
What credibility do you possess here to call anyone dishonest?
Is it not a sign of desperation when in fact we have provided credible sources the current definition of implicit atheism does not require a conscious rejection of the concept of theism.