I see no value in atheism

[outhouse]

It's....you're .....scholars scholars everywhere, and not a one to find....

In this case I believe you to be incorrect.

Can you provide sources that "who do you think you are" is incorrectly using you are instead of you're???????????
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[Ben Dhyan]

In this case I believe you to be incorrect.

Can you provide sources that "who do you think you are" is incorrectly using you are instead of you're???????????
.

The only 'your' erroneously used is that used in your sentence....Your no one to judge others perception of reality.

Who do you think you are?

Your no one to judge others perception of reality. You only have a personal opinion which is not substantiated as the correct version of reality.

 

[outhouse]

The only 'your' erroneously used is that used in your sentence....Your no one to judge others perception of reality.

Thank you. I was in error on the bottom one.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Thank you. I was in error on the bottom one.

My pleasure...

 

[Bunyip]

Well that's refreshing to hear Bunyip...i am pleased to hear you keep an open mind....may I ask for what you mean by respect to Yahweh?

It means that Yahweh would be the god in question.

And if you don't believe in atheism absolutely, then you are not really an atheist imho, more of an agnostic.

That's just ridiculous, you are not even trying to make a case. Anyway, like all other atheists I am agnostic.

...and though I do not like labels generally, they can be helpful to navigate through the maze of belief systems....do you consider yourself an agnostic?

Yes, I am an agnostic atheist - I have told you that specifically several times.

 

[Bunyip]

Ok. You call it a reaction, I call it a choice. I think we are just dancing around semantics but it's all ok. I respect what you wish to call this.

Belief is not a choice, we can only choose to pretend to believe. Real belief is not a choice.

 

[Bunyip]

You have to choose which source of information is reliable.

No, that os simply accepting the facts, not a choice.

You have to choose how much validation is necessary. You have to choose what methods you will use to verify your belief. You have to choose what evidence to accept or reject. You have to choose whom to accept as an authority. You have to choose how much of you own research is enough to validate your belief.

If you don't choose for your self what to believe then I'd suppose you are left to allow others to do the choosing for you.

That didn't make sense mate. Belief is not a choice, this is just pointless.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It means that Yahweh would be the god in question. That's just ridiculous, you are not even trying to make a case. Anyway, like all other atheists I am agnostic.Yes, I am an agnostic atheist - I have told you that specifically several times.

That's fine Bunyip....if you want to be known as an agnostic atheist...then henceforth you are an agnostic atheist to me....

 

[Bunyip]

That's fine Bunyip....if you want to be known as an agnostic atheist...then henceforth you are an agnostic atheist to me....

Cool, atheism is essentially agnostic - it is not a knowledge claim.

 

[Desert Snake]

Cool, atheism is essentially agnostic - it is not a knowledge claim.

Why not just use the label agnostic, then.

 

[Bunyip]

Why not just use the label agnostic, then.

Because gnostic/agnostic speaks to what a person KNOWS. Whilst atheist/theist speaks to what a person believes. Atheism and agnosticism are not exclusive categories, many theists are agnostic. So are many atheists.

I identify as atheist because it reflects my disbelief in the gods I know of.

 

[Desert Snake]

Cool, atheism is essentially agnostic - it is not a knowledge claim.

...^

Why not just use the label agnostic, then.

...^

Because gnostic/agnostic speaks to what a person KNOWS. Whilst atheist/theist speaks to what a person believes. Atheism and agnosticism are not exclusive categories, many theists are agnostic. So are many atheists.

I identify as atheist because it reflects my disbelief in the gods I know of.

Notice the highlighted text. It seems that, if you are making a claim about what you ''know'', then it is a knowledge claim. Notice how you equated atheism to agnosticism, specifically, because it is not, according to you, a knowledge claim.

 

[Curious George]

Atheist equals not theist.

Did you not suggest that this topic was more than a sentence.

 

[Bunyip]

...^


...^


Notice the highlighted text. It seems that, if you are making a claim about what you ''know'', then it is a knowledge claim. Notice how you equated atheism to agnosticism, specifically, because it is not, according to you, a knowledge claim.

Correct. GNOSTIC/AGNOSTIC speaks to what I KNOW. Atheism/theism is about what I BELIEVE. And yes I equate atheism in as far as implicit atheism is concerned with agnosticism because it is not a knowledge claim. I have said that several times.

 

[JoStories]

Hi Jo, I wondered about the possibility of your poor eyesight, but I dismissed it as I supposed everyone would be using large text to help you out if that were the case. Now that they know, I hope they will...

I agree with you that insults and snide remarks are awful....unfortunately that is the usual form of many atheists, including those on this thread, towards people of religion. These same atheist posters....on every thread where they engaged me, are aggressive and insulting... After initially trying a form of let's agree to disagree relationship...it failed and so nowadays I do not reward their bad behavior... As to debate, and your observation that I appear to not try and defend my position..... the reason is that I that my understanding of religion is beyond that of atheistic posters...which is natural since their minds are pretty much locked exclusively into physical reality....and if and when I find they do not have the prerequisite understanding to understand what is being said to them...I do not move the discussion forward until they either get it or drop out, for it would be a waste of mine and their time to engage in trivia....

So you are a professor, may I ask you of what? As a professor posting here among this lot...I will accept you on your word that you are kind and humble... And you practice Buddhism, what form does the practice take? I also practice a form of Buddhism...Chan...still mind meditation... I have been practicing meditation for going on 40 years, was a Theosophist at one time and religion is my passion.. I am not a Theist per se, but a non dualist...meaning that I see theists and atheists as one pair of an infinite number of complementary opposite pairs of the oneness of existence. They are people who presently do not know what and who they really are...and my posts are mostly pointing out their present error of mistaking their conceptualizations about reality for reality. Now I know most presently lack the prerequisite understanding to understand this, but I know from my own experience...when the penny finally dropped for me....I realized there were a few 'odd' people in my life whom I had argued with about religion and thought strange, had actually provided me with the prerequisite knowledge that ultimately was responsible for triggering my penultimate religious insight...and I felt so terrible and humbled...and remain so.. Humility before other humans, depending on who they are is conditional, before cosmic truth, unconditional...

Thank you for your apology, likewise my apologies to you...

Some do use a larger font for my sake. It is fairly well known here about my blindness.
I have a master's in nursing, and in theology, and am writing my dissertation in theology. I also have 5 BS or BA in various subjects. I practice thereveda Buddhism. But I do this on my own. As for the atheists here, I have been here for a few months now and have listened to and talked to many of the atheists here and made friends. We may disagree and some are not kind but most are very nice people. They have strong opinions which is their right, and in my view, the path they have chosen. Who am I to say they are wrong in that path? We do disagree and that is fine but mostly we do that civilly. I have been testy at times with some topics but most often will come back and apologize because I was wrong. I have no right to say they are wrong. I can only defend my own belief. I hope this makes sense. Namaste.

 

[JoStories]

You could try and change this, but I think it just is, what it is.

Implicit and explicit atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Explicit atheists have considered the idea of deities and have rejected belief that any exist.


"rejected belief" is much different then not believing.


"implicit atheism" as "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it".

Okay my friend. I see your point. But outhouse, we are still going to disagree here. I will accept your opinion as yours and that's fine love. I just see it differently.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Some do use a larger font for my sake. It is fairly well known here about my blindness.
I have a master's in nursing, and in theology, and am writing my dissertation in theology. I also have 5 BS or BA in various subjects. I practice thereveda Buddhism. But I do this on my own. As for the atheists here, I have been here for a few months now and have listened to and talked to many of the atheists here and made friends. We may disagree and some are not kind but most are very nice people. They have strong opinions which is their right, and in my view, the path they have chosen. Who am I to say they are wrong in that path? We do disagree and that is fine but mostly we do that civilly. I have been testy at times with some topics but most often will come back and apologize because I was wrong. I have no right to say they are wrong. I can only defend my own belief. I hope this makes sense. Namaste.

Well I am impressed with your academic achievements.... Masters in Nursing and Theology, and five BS/BA degrees...awesome! And it always makes my heart glad to find someone who takes religion seriously...

Yes, I have had some good insights as a result of our encounter....I had not realized the different culture between religious discussion forums and debate forums, as I have mostly posted on religious discussion forums during my time here...and was never much into debate. So recently when I sort of ventured out into debate forums without being aware of the cultural difference, I was quite astonished with the apparent rude culture....it has been a baptism under fire to be sure...but I am now beginning to understand the reason*.

Yes, you make great sense and I thank you for making your presence felt to me.... Namaste...

* outhouse has helped explain it on another thread...

 

[JoStories]

Well I am impressed with your academic achievements.... Masters in Nursing and Theology, and five BS/BA degrees...awesome! And it always makes my heart glad to find someone who takes religion seriously...

Yes, I have had some good insights as a result of our encounter....I had not realized the different culture between religious discussion forums and debate forums, as I have mostly posted on religious discussion forums during my time here...and was never much into debate. So recently when I sort of ventured out into debate forums without being aware of the cultural difference, I was quite astonished with the apparent rude culture....it has been a baptism under fire to be sure...but I am now beginning to understand the reason*.

Yes, you make great sense and I thank you for making your presence felt to me.... Namaste...

* outhouse has helped explain it on another thread...

It gives me great pleasure to have been able to help you see that. Indeed, there is a vast cultural difference here and very many times, I have to step back and remember that myself. However, I have a slight advantage fro having traveled extensively including to Africa and such. At times, that is an advantage while at others, I have to try to rein myself in on some topics, like gentital mutilation, which I'm extremely passionate about and absolutely dead set against. But I have learned from understanding the stocism of Hawaiian culture and my own, Native American, and so on. I find calm and reasoned discourse to be more effective, for the most part than using ridicule and derision. And as I said, I do have topics that are difficult for me and incite ...unreasoned discourse. Thanks for listening and peace to you.

 

[Nakosis]

No, that os simply accepting the facts, not a choice. That didn't make sense mate. Belief is not a choice, this is just pointless.

Fair enough, I guess for some this is true.

 

[Desert Snake]

Correct. GNOSTIC/AGNOSTIC speaks to what I KNOW. Atheism/theism is about what I BELIEVE. And yes I equate atheism in as far as implicit atheism is concerned with agnosticism because it is not a knowledge claim. I have said that several times.

You seem to be CONTRADICTING yourself. lol