I see no value in atheism

[JoStories]

The only 'your' erroneously used is that used in your sentence....Your no one to judge others perception of reality.

Sorry but that is wrong. The singular your means something belonging to you. If you wish to say you are, using the contraction form, it's you're.

 

[JoStories]

Belief is not a choice, we can only choose to pretend to believe. Real belief is not a choice.

Not in my opinion. I choice to believe in God for the reasons I have. For me, that was enough proof to send me to the theist side. Before that, I was more of an atheist.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sorry but that is wrong. The singular your means something belonging to you. If you wish to say you are, using the contraction form, it's you're.

Pardon, but you didn't read the lead up....what you have explained is the original point I made.....outhouse had disputed my call on the basis I was referring to a 'you are' in another sentence. The post you quoted was my redirection to the 'your' I was referring to that should be 'you're'...... outhouse agreed and thanked me for bringing it to his attention...see post 1304

 

[Bunyip]

Not in my opinion. I choice to believe in God for the reasons I have. For me, that was enough proof to send me to the theist side. Before that, I was more of an atheist.

If that is true, then you do not really believe - you are just pretending to. If you just choose to believe in god, then your belief is not genuine - it is not a real belief.

 

[Bunyip]

You seem to be CONTRADICTING yourself. lol

No, and I have explained several times - you are just playing games. There is no contradiction there.

 

[JoStories]

If that is true, then you do not really believe - you are just pretending to. If you just choose to believe in god, then your belief is not genuine - it is not a real belief.

How can you know that from reading this board? Bunyip, I assure you my belief is indeed genuine. In my heart I know there is God, by the way I define it. I'm not sure no,else to say that. Believe me, this is as real as it gets.

 

[JoStories]

Pardon, but you didn't read the lead up....what you have explained is the original point I made.....outhouse had disputed my call on the basis I was referring to a 'you are' in another sentence. The post you quoted was my redirection to the 'your' I was referring to that should be 'you're'...... outhouse agreed and thanked me for bringing it to his attention...see post 1304

Ah..sorry about that. I didn't read the few I had not yet seen. My bad.

 

[Bunyip]

How can you know that from reading this board? Bunyip, I assure you my belief is indeed genuine. In my heart I know there is God, by the way I define it. I'm not sure no,else to say that. Believe me, this is as real as it gets.

If it is a choice, I don't see how it could be real at all. I don't mean to offend you, but I do not see how you can choose what to believe.

When somebody says, 'I choose to believe' this over that it can only be self delusion. It is something people say when they don't want to deal with the reality of a given situation.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

If it is a choice, I don't see how it could be real at all. I don't mean to offend you, but I do not see how you can choose what to believe.

When somebody says, 'I choose to believe' this over that it can only be self delusion. It is something people say when they don't want to deal with the reality of a given situation.

It's just blatant rejection of subjectivity again.

There is a spiritual domain which chooses over the material domain. The existence of what is in the spiritual domain is a matter of opinion, what is in the material domain is a matter of fact.

 

[ArtieE]

It's just blatant rejection of subjectivity again.

There is a spiritual domain which chooses over the material domain. The existence of what is in the spiritual domain is a matter of opinion, what is in the material domain is a matter of fact.

That there is a spiritual domain is a matter of opinion, what is in the material domain is a matter of fact.

 

[JoStories]

If it is a choice, I don't see how it could be real at all. I don't mean to offend you, but I do not see how you can choose what to believe.

When somebody says, 'I choose to believe' this over that it can only be self delusion. It is something people say when they don't want to deal with the reality of a given situation.

You haven't offended me at all dear. We just disagree in this.

 

[JoStories]

That there is a spiritual domain is a matter of opinion, what is in the material domain is a matter of fact.

I agree. Opinion, as in choice, IMO. No one can prove the spiritual realm therefore, IMO, it's choice to believe.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

That there is a spiritual domain is a matter of opinion, what is in the material domain is a matter of fact.

Same difference. One would just need to signify a domain which categorizes all what is referred to as choosing. That is all what is meant with the term spiritual domain, to categorize all agency of any decision in a domain.

But I guess any accomodation for subjectivity or freedom in terminology, raises hyper critical doubts of social darwinists hellbent on regarding goodness and evil as fact.

The jig is up on social darwinism when goodness aan evil are categorized fundamentally as matters of opinion, which is the reason for all the skepticism about the spirit.

 

[ArtieE]

The jig is up on social darwinism when goodness aan evil are categorized fundamentally as matters of opinion, which is the reason for all the skepticism about the spirit.

"Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good or right and those that are bad or wrong." Wikipedia.

When evolution and natural selection evolved the first organisms or "life" certain properties and behaviors were automatically selected for. Such as self-preservation and procreation. From there comes our notion that some things are good and some things are bad. For every organism there are good actions beneficial to survival and successful reproduction and bad actions detrimental to survival and successful reproduction. After all this time, humans are also born with a survival instinct and the instinct to produce offspring. We say murder is immoral and wrong because we are descendants of the first organisms that evolved a survival instinct, not because we subjectively have invented the idea that "murder is wrong".

 

[Desert Snake]

No, and I have explained several times - you are just playing games. There is no contradiction there.

No, I'm not ''playing games'', the contradiction seems plain;
If you equate gnostic and agnostic to 'knowledge claims', then equate atheism to agnosticism, then you just said you made a knowledge claim. I'm not even sure why you are so intent on using agnostic/gnostic in that manner. "I don't know", is not a knowledge claim.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

"Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good or right and those that are bad or wrong." Wikipedia.

When evolution and natural selection evolved the first organisms or "life" certain properties and behaviors were automatically selected for. Such as self-preservation and procreation. From there comes our notion that some things are good and some things are bad. For every organism there are good actions beneficial to survival and successful reproduction and bad actions detrimental to survival and successful reproduction. After all this time, humans are also born with a survival instinct and the instinct to produce offspring. We say murder is immoral and wrong because we are descendants of the first organisms that evolved a survival instinct, not because we subjectively have invented the idea that "murder is wrong".

It is just a matter of logic. Subjectivity works based on choosing. You cannot usurp logic with facts, because then your theory would just be gibberish. We require logic to make theory. Your theory that evolution theory proves murder is wrong is gibberish.

As a matter of logic, all people who deny free will is real, also regard what is good and evil as fact, and vice versa. That is how the nazi's conceived of people acting in a predetermined way by their race, and also regarded the value of each race as a matter of fact. So we see that the people who said murder is wrong because of evolution theory, then went on to murder everyone as a matter of natural selection.

 

[Shad]

It is just a matter of logic. Subjectivity works based on choosing. You cannot usurp logic with facts, because then your theory would just be gibberish. We require logic to make theory. Your theory that evolution theory proves murder is wrong is gibberish.

As a matter of logic, all people who deny free will is real, also regard what is good and evil as fact, and vice versa. That is how the nazi's conceived of people acting in a predetermined way by their race, and also regarded the value of each race as a matter of fact. So we see that the people who said murder is wrong because of evolution theory, then went on to murder everyone as a matter of natural selection.

For logic to be sound premises must be factual correct, not opinions. You use the word logic a lot but know nothing about beside how to spell it.

Godwin's law. They use eugenics not evolution since race is meaningless in evolution.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

For logic to be sound premises must be factual correct, not opinions. You use the word logic a lot but know nothing about beside how to spell it.

Godwin's law. They use eugenics not evolution since race is meaningless in evolution.

Just another blatant attack against subjectivity by the ridiculously evil evolutionists.

 

[McBell]

Just another blatant attack against subjectivity by the ridiculously evil evolutionists.

So much for you using logic....

 

[Shad]

Just another blatant attack against subjectivity by the ridiculously evil evolutionists.

Nope just an attack against your ideas of subjectivity not subjectivity as a defined term most people accept. Which does not even require a "spiritual domain"