I see no value in atheism

[outhouse]

It's not being ignored, so much as it's just not the topic of conversation.

Who here is following the OP?

 

[JoStories]

My only "real" point here. Is that the definition of implicit atheism is being ignored for no good reason.

I tend to follow academia here to a T using the wiki page to defend my position.

People that are not theist, are atheist. A person who does not believe in a deity is an atheist.

One does not have to reject theism, to not follow theism.

I don't think your point is being ignored. I just don't completely agree with it. No offense outhouse. I just see this differently.

 

[outhouse]

I just see this differently

You could try and change this, but I think it just is, what it is.

Implicit and explicit atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Explicit atheists have considered the idea of deities and have rejected belief that any exist.


"rejected belief" is much different then not believing.


"implicit atheism" as "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it".

 

[Ben Dhyan]

1. Once again, I am legally blind, hence the large font for my use.
2. I have read ALL the posts in this entire thread and have seen that both sides are at fault. We actually had this debate about the use of name calling and ridicule in debate not that long ago, which I'm firmly against as a professor and person who likes the art of debate. I find it has no place in a civil discourse. I have seen those who were short with you and how short you have been over the last 10 or so pages of posts. I note that you more often insult without trying to defend your position.
3. As for me, sir, I have little to no ego and tend to be kind to almost all here. I'm a Buddhist by practice and try very hard to follow those credos. In real life, you would find me quiet, reposed and tending to think often and long before responding to queries. I was merely trying to point out that being civil here seems to be a hard thing to find. I apologize if you were offended by my post.

Hi Jo, I wondered about the possibility of your poor eyesight, but I dismissed it as I supposed everyone would be using large text to help you out if that were the case. Now that they know, I hope they will...

I agree with you that insults and snide remarks are awful....unfortunately that is the usual form of many atheists, including those on this thread, towards people of religion. These same atheist posters....on every thread where they engaged me, are aggressive and insulting... After initially trying a form of let's agree to disagree relationship...it failed and so nowadays I do not reward their bad behavior... As to debate, and your observation that I appear to not try and defend my position..... the reason is that I that my understanding of religion is beyond that of atheistic posters...which is natural since their minds are pretty much locked exclusively into physical reality....and if and when I find they do not have the prerequisite understanding to understand what is being said to them...I do not move the discussion forward until they either get it or drop out, for it would be a waste of mine and their time to engage in trivia....

So you are a professor, may I ask you of what? As a professor posting here among this lot...I will accept you on your word that you are kind and humble... And you practice Buddhism, what form does the practice take? I also practice a form of Buddhism...Chan...still mind meditation... I have been practicing meditation for going on 40 years, was a Theosophist at one time and religion is my passion.. I am not a Theist per se, but a non dualist...meaning that I see theists and atheists as one pair of an infinite number of complementary opposite pairs of the oneness of existence. They are people who presently do not know what and who they really are...and my posts are mostly pointing out their present error of mistaking their conceptualizations about reality for reality. Now I know most presently lack the prerequisite understanding to understand this, but I know from my own experience...when the penny finally dropped for me....I realized there were a few 'odd' people in my life whom I had argued with about religion and thought strange, had actually provided me with the prerequisite knowledge that ultimately was responsible for triggering my penultimate religious insight...and I felt so terrible and humbled...and remain so.. Humility before other humans, depending on who they are is conditional, before cosmic truth, unconditional...

Thank you for your apology, likewise my apologies to you...

 

[outhouse]

unfortunately that is the usual form of many atheists

Maybe they are just that way towards you. I have noticed you were very aggressive ever since you have been here to anyone who opposes your view.


Maybe if you substantiated your position with links and sources, you would or might find lest hostility.

 

[outhouse]

So you are a professor, may I ask you of what? As a professor posting here among this lot...

Maybe if you were not so aggressive you would understand there are more then one scholars here, and more then one professor. There are a few teachers here. Theist and atheist included.


Your tone is not appropriate. "This lot" is very condescending. Who do you think you are is now the question?

 

[outhouse]

They are people who presently do not know what and who they really are...and my posts are mostly pointing out their present error of mistaking their conceptualizations about reality for reality

Who do you think you are?


Your no one to judge others perception of reality. You only have a personal opinion which is not substantiated as the correct version of reality.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Maybe they are just that way towards you. I have noticed you were very aggressive ever since you have been here to anyone who opposes your view.

Maybe if you substantiated your position with links and sources, you would or might find lest hostility.

I have been a member here since 2007...I've seen atheists like you come and go over the years.. I don't post much as you can note..and I don't waste time on materialistically blinded souls...shoo..

 

[Curious George]

We are not.

A few theist here do not want to grasp the current definition. We are debating against their personal opinion.

Is the current definition "not theist?" Because that seems mighty close to a one sentence definition to me.

 

[Willamena]

What comes to mind when you hear the word "Jabberwocky?"

Lewis Carroll?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Who do you think you are?

Your no one to judge others perception of reality. You only have a personal opinion which is not substantiated as the correct version of reality.

It's....you're .....scholars scholars everywhere, and not a one to find....where's Bunyip when you need him...

...the rest is unsubstantiated rhetoric...

 

[McBell]

Provide evidence that atheism exists.

I comprehend the difference fine.

I am an atheist.

i do not believe god exists.
Any of them
I do not believe god does not exist
Any of them

Thank you and have a good night.

 

[McBell]

I'm not worried about removing a "not," I understand what you're saying, friend. I don't view you as an atheist, I view you just as myself, a conscious human being.

I am aware that an individual cannot know what they individually do not know. Unconscious of conscious experience. That same individual cannot know something without internally experiencing that knowledge. Anything else is a "belief" and "belief" is inevitable. An individual can have all of the head knowledge they like, it's not really knowing unless experienced.

Not the least bit interested in your double talk.
I have no need for a god, therefore I have no need for a gap to put him in.

 

[Willamena]

I would say that if their belief is "lacking", as long as it is still present, they would accurately be classified as a theist.

Lacking indicates absence.

 

[outhouse]

Is the current definition "not theist?"

Atheist equals not theist.

 

[Willamena]

Atheist equals not theist.

Or... What the dictionary says.

 

[outhouse]

Or... What the dictionary says.

That is what it says.

 

[Unification]

Not the least bit interested in your double talk.
I have no need for a god, therefore I have no need for a gap to put him in.

Never said that you did. Why refer to "god" as "him?"

 

[outhouse]

Why refer to "god" as "him?"

Many different types of ancient mythology describe their deity as male.

The Abrahamic deity is male, he originated from two male deities. One the father of all deities, who had a wife. the other a warrior who had the same wife at a later period.

 

[Unification]

Not the least bit interested in your double talk.
I have no need for a god, therefore I have no need for a gap to put him in.

Why do "you" refer to "god" as a "him?"

Gaps don't exist. Promissory materialism is a superstition without a rational foundation and is simply a religious belief held by dogmatic materialists . . .who confuse their religion with their science. It has all the same features of a messianic prophecy.