I Support The Truckers

[QuestioningMind]

I support the trucker protesters. They're protesting against a despotic government that wants to impose vaccine mandates and take away their freedoms for not complying with a forced medical procedure. Most of what has been reported about them is false, and they have been demonised by the media. I see RF doesn't broadly support them either. Maybe folks are afraid to say.

But I support them. It seems, according to the media I follow, many others support them too. Many of them are vaccinated, but for me this isn't about vaccination; this is about standing up to forced medical tyranny. They are the good guys imo and are doing Canada a favour. Some in the US have joined them.

I believe the way the Canadian government is treating them is horrible, and now threatening to take away their pets. Seriously? Freezing bank accounts and taking away people's animals is something the CCP would do, not liberal Western democracies.

These folks aren't Nazis, they're not Confederates; they're protesting for their freedoms back. Freedoms we had until 2020 that were completely normal to everyone.

I guess we should all be thankful that you and these truckers weren't around back in the beginning of the last century or we'd still have polio wards in all of our hospitals. Millions of deaths have been prevented over the past decades due to vaccinations against deadly diseases because of these 'forced medical procedures'. Every child in school prior to 2020 was REQUIRED to get vaccinations prior to attending. Why are those vaccinations okay, but THIS vaccination is an attack on your 'freedoms'? Why do you think you should have the 'freedom' to allow a preventable deadly disease to spread throughout society? Why is it so hard for you to understand that with freedoms comes responsibilities? It's not just about YOU, it's about the welfare of society as a whole.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I see these kinds of obstructive behaviors increasing whenever government says something they don't like. If they hate living in civilized society so much, maybe they should move to a Libertarian country. Oh yeah, there aren't any. Maybe because the view is not practical in reality, just on paper.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Anyone going against mainstream media gets "demonized" or gets the "guilt card" or...

More than the mainstream media, my impression of the Ottawa occupation is mostly informed by:

- relatives and acquaintances actually participating in the occupation, telling everyone in their friend list why they're there and what they see going on, and

- friends who actually live in Ottawa, describing what they see and how the occupation is affecting them.

Do you think that these people are part of "the mainstream media"? Because they all corroborate what the mainstream media is reporting.

At a certain point, we have to dismiss claims like yours that people shouldn't believe the reports they're seeing as gaslighting.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Do you oppose the freedom of travel for those being blocked by truckers? How do you reconcile the conflict of freedom to protest and freedom to travel?

Minor inconveniences compared to the mandates.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Minor inconveniences compared to the mandates.

... which are themselves minor inconveniences.

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm all for rights and freedom, but I think restrictions are reasonable when it comes to actions that pose a dangerous risk to others. Nobody is screaming about the tyranny of speed limits, stop signs, and traffic lights.

 

[Revoltingest]

If they hate living in civilized society so much, maybe they should move to a Libertarian country. Oh yeah, there aren't any.

Good luck trying to tell libertarians they're
not allowed to pass on public roads.
We're going anyway!

 

[SomeRandom]

Minor inconveniences compared to the mandates.

Actually this convoy stopped actual truckers from doing their job, with some requiring medical assistance due to aliments and not being able to get the help in a timely fashion. That is not a “minor inconvenience.” The convoy also forced truckers to watch as food they were trying to transport literally rotted due to them not being able to travel. That is not a “minor inconvenience.”
The convoy is actively hurting truckers trying to make a living and even hurting their society due to blocking supply trucks from coming into their country.
What is a minor inconvenience is accepting the consequences of not being vaxxed like a grown up. If you don’t want to vax, that’s fine. But you don’t get to throw a temper tantrum when you can’t enjoy luxuries due to health and safety measures.
These truckers don’t want to vax? Fine, just do local deliveries. They won’t starve. But instead they went out of their way to cause a scene. I liken them to a toddler kicking and screaming on the ground at the shops because they were told “no.” Difference is at least the toddler has the excuse of mental, emotional and physical immaturity.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm all for rights and freedom, but I think restrictions, when it comes to actions that pose a dangerous risk to others. Nobody is screaming about the tyranny of speed limits, stop signs, and traffic lights.

A year ago, nobody was even screaming about mandatory vaccines for health care workers, "vaccine passports," or how some truckers aren't allowed to cross the border.

I mean, Canada will deny entry to Americans who have had a recent DUI conviction. The US will deny entry to Canadians who have an old marijuana conviction even though pot is legal here now. I'm sure these rules ended a lot of careers in trucking, but nobody does convoys for them.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Good luck trying to tell libertarians they're
not allowed to pass on public roads.
We're going anyway!

Fun fact: in Ontario, the yellow centreline doesn't carry any regulatory weight.

That being said, if you cross a double yellow - that some engineer put there because there isn't enough sight distance to pass - and hit an oncoming car, the odds are pretty good you'll be charged with "pass not in safety," but drivers are allowed to rely on their own judgment to cross the yellow line or not.

 

[Revoltingest]

Fun fact: in Ontario, the yellow centreline doesn't carry any regulatory weight.

That being said, if you cross a double yellow - that some engineer put there because there isn't enough sight distance to pass - and hit an oncoming car, the odds are pretty good you'll be charged with "pass not in safety," but drivers are allowed to rely on their own judgment to cross the yellow line or not.

I spoke of protestors blocking my way,
& preventing free travel. Duh.

 

[SomeRandom]

I support the trucker protesters. They're protesting against a despotic government that wants to impose vaccine mandates and take away their freedoms for not complying with a forced medical procedure. Most of what has been reported about them is false, and they have been demonised by the media. I see RF doesn't broadly support them either. Maybe folks are afraid to say.

But I support them. It seems, according to the media I follow, many others support them too. Many of them are vaccinated, but for me this isn't about vaccination; this is about standing up to forced medical tyranny. They are the good guys imo and are doing Canada a favour. Some in the US have joined them.

I believe the way the Canadian government is treating them is horrible, and now threatening to take away their pets. Seriously? Freezing bank accounts and taking away people's animals is something the CCP would do, not liberal Western democracies.

These folks aren't Nazis, they're not Confederates; they're protesting for their freedoms back. Freedoms we had until 2020 that were completely normal to everyone.

What is your news source?

Because I saw the initial protests online from a direct feed on YouTube. There were indeed Nazi iconography among the original protests. I saw it with my own eyes. If you don’t want to be called a “Nazi” maybe don’t wave around the Swastika flag?
Or at least leave immediately if you see one. If I showed up at a protest and I saw Nazi symbols I’d run the other direction as fast as I could. That’s just me though.

According to the sources I’ve seen, the truckers claim the convoy has obscured actual problems truckers face.
Don’t know how you feel about Aljazeera but anyway

Canada border blockades, protests ‘nothing to do with trucking’

 

[Sand Dancer]

Good luck trying to tell libertarians they're
not allowed to pass on public roads.
We're going anyway!

Ya Socialist, ya.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I'm all for rights and freedom, but I think restrictions are reasonable when it comes to actions that pose a dangerous risk to others. Nobody is screaming about the tyranny of speed limits, stop signs, and traffic lights.

I have a feeling someone, somewhere, is.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ya Socialist, ya.

You just made an enemy for life!

 

[Wildswanderer]

... which are themselves minor inconveniences.

Not if you have to quarantine everytime you haul something across the border and lose a week of work every time.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The convoy is actively hurting truckers trying to make a living

So are the mandates. Only it's not temporary.

 

[Wildswanderer]

These truckers don’t want to vax? Fine, just do local deliveries. They won’t starve

You obviously don't know any truckers. It's not that simple.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I support the trucker protesters. They're protesting against a despotic government that wants to impose vaccine mandates and take away their freedoms for not complying with a forced medical procedure. Most of what has been reported about them is false, and they have been demonised by the media. I see RF doesn't broadly support them either. Maybe folks are afraid to say.

But I support them. It seems, according to the media I follow, many others support them too. Many of them are vaccinated, but for me this isn't about vaccination; this is about standing up to forced medical tyranny. They are the good guys imo and are doing Canada a favour. Some in the US have joined them.

I believe the way the Canadian government is treating them is horrible, and now threatening to take away their pets. Seriously? Freezing bank accounts and taking away people's animals is something the CCP would do, not liberal Western democracies.

These folks aren't Nazis, they're not Confederates; they're protesting for their freedoms back. Freedoms we had until 2020 that were completely normal to everyone.

They've been harassing people, obstructing travel, obstructing businesses, and had the nerve to say the government must sign their thingy and if they don't meet their demands the government must resign and be replaced by those the "freedom convey" approves of.
There is nothing respectable about that. It's selfishness, it's all about me and what I want, and they are not thinking or acting for the better of others. Only their own selfish interest. Being opposed to covid restrictions, that has seen America get about a quarter of the global covid cases and deaths. That's not good, and it's the result of what this "freedom 'to die' convoy" wants.

 

[SomeRandom]

So are the mandates. Only it's not temporary.

Mandates have existed in many countries for decades. I couldn’t go to school without my childhood vaccinations. (With exceptions for medical and religious reasons.)
Now it’s a problem all of a sudden?