I Support The Truckers

[Shadow Wolf]

but the minor inconvenience I was talking about was getting vaccinated.

It really is fascinating all the ruckus over minor inconveniences. Like wearing a mask. Or getting a shot. And proudly they die on that hill, thinking opposing an inconvenience is fighting tyranny.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Don’t they have railways in Canada and the USA? Why are they moving so much freight by road, when rail is so much cleaner and more efficient?

As per the norm, America trails the rest of the modern world when it comes to railroads.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's up there with cancer and heart disease. And that's just the cases that end with death. There's scores of other cases that end with chronic illness.

Yet I don't see the same level of insanity and paranoia over those things.

Covid is weaponized for power and control purposes and it's clearly a tool for those reasons.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I would not call it a "moderately lethal virus"

I do.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yet I don't see the same level of insanity and paranoia over those things.

Covid is weaponized for power and control purposes and it's clearly a tool for those reasons.

I think this is true, but in the opposite way that you probably do.

The Ottawa occupation is (now was, I guess) insanity and paranoia made manifest.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It's 2 weeks, not 1, but that would only be if they were allowed to cross in the first place: the US doesn't allow unvaccinated Canadian truckers and vice versa.

Which literally takes away livelyhood from those who have worked right through the pandemic and should be considered heros.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Which literally takes away livelyhood from those who have worked right through the pandemic and should be considered heros.

No, it doesn't take away anyone's livelihood.

There's no shortage of domestic trucking jobs that don't require cross-border travel, and unvaccinated cross-border truckers had 3 months' notice to line up a new job before the rule change took effect.

Anyone unemployed because of this change is someone who has decided to be unemployed.

 

[PureX]

The purpose of government is to force individuals to act in the best interest of the whole of society, as opposed to in their own best interests, only. Sp protesting the government for doing exactly what it was created and intended to do is just stupid, and childish, and counter-productive. So in this instance, I do not support these particular protesters.

However, I do support social protests as a general form of social activism. Although, it should be done is such a way as to effect those that need to be affected, and not just cause blanket chaos and destruction. I would have approved the Jan. 6th protest had it not been intended to destroy the established system of governance for the gain of a small minority of the population. Correcting government on behalf of the people is a good and necessary endeavor. Doing it for the sake of a small minority within the general population, however, in an insurrection. And should be treated as such.

 

[stvdv]

I do.

I call it "unlethal"

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I call it "unlethal"

A disease that has killed nearly 6 million people (that we know of, so far) is "unlethal"?

 

[Revoltingest]

As per the norm, America trails the rest of the modern world when it comes to railroads.

Not really. Our freight rail system is fine.
Passenger rail here sucks for a host of historical,
political, & economic reasons.
But I'm not sure that this is a problem. We might
be better off in a future of self driving cars driving
on ordinary public roads, which would be safer than
human drivers.
Advantages over rail....
- Lower capital cost.
- Greater convenience, ie, door to door.
- No risk of shutting down the whole system
because of union troubles.
- No need to condemn property owners' land for new rail lines.

Note that it's not practical to run passenger trains
over rails used by freight trains. The latter damages
tracks such that high speed rail is prevented.
(I once worked in that industry for Knorr Bremse.)

 

[Revoltingest]

Welfare. Ugh..don't make me laugh.

It's been a moderately lethal virus all along and nowhere as lethal as it is at present.

Aside from lethality, long Covid is a significant problem.
Long COVID - Wikipedia
Excerpted....
Long COVID can affect nearly every organ system, with sequelae including respiratory system disorders, nervous system and neurocognitive disorders, mental health disorders, metabolic disorders, cardiovascular disorders, gastrointestinal disorders, malaise, fatigue, musculoskeletal pain, and anemia.[6] A wide range of symptoms are commonly reported, including fatigue, headaches, shortness of breath, anosmia (loss of smell)....

A survey by the UK Office for National Statistics estimated that about 14% of people who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 experienced one or more symptoms for longer than three months.[8] A study from University of Oxford of 273,618 survivors of COVID-19, mainly from the United States, showed that about 37% experienced one or more symptoms between three and six months after diagnosis.[9]

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Not really. Our freight rail system is fine

They've been talking for years now about how the u.s. hasn't caught up with high speed rail, due to all the property lines. Is that used for freight?

 

[Revoltingest]

They've been talking for years now about how the u.s. hasn't caught up with high speed rail, due to all the property lines. Is that used for freight?

Back when I was in the rail business (brake design),
freight trains were allowed to use passenger tracks.
I expect it would still be so.
This made high speed impractical. High speed rail
would need dedicated lines that can be kept in the
appropriate condition. This would mean acquiring a
whole lot of property, ie, taking it from current owners.
This would be a slow & spendy political process.
China, for example, doesn't face such hurdles.

I'm not convinced that high speed rail is all that
necessary. We're facing technological & social
changes that could mitigate the need, eg, more
working remotely, self driving cars, the end of
the taxi monopoly (eg, Uber, Lyft).

 

[amorphous_constellation]

High speed rail
would need dedicated lines that can be kept in the
appropriate condition.

haven't researched that, to understand what you mean

This would mean acquiring a
whole lot of property, ie, taking it from current owners.
This would be a slow & spendy political process.
China, for example, doesn't face such hurdles.

I don't think governments or private interests, including in america, find many roadblocks to repurposing property eventually. Plenty of people don't want gentrification, and that occurs. I've seen wild prairies turn into mcmansion-villes, but that doesn't mean that something, with higher fiscal interest, can't repurpose the mcmansionvilles

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Don’t they have railways in Canada and the USA? Why are they moving so much freight by road, when rail is so much cleaner and more efficient?

Part of it comes down to, sadly, resisting change to the 'human need to toil,' because I think we know that they aren't going to just give us ubi. So that energizes a sort of neo-luddite mode

 

[Martin]

I think this is true, but in the opposite way that you probably do.

The Ottawa occupation is (now was, I guess) insanity and paranoia made manifest.

I think it reflects an obsession with "rights", and a reluctance to acknowledge responsibilities. Like a bunch of rebellious teenagers.

 

[Revoltingest]

haven't researched that, to understand what you mean

Freight trains are heavy, & make rails uneven.
High speed rail requires smooth rails. To get
them, they'd need lines separate from freight.

I don't think governments or private interests, including in america, find many roadblocks to repurposing property eventually. Plenty of people don't want gentrification, and that occurs. I've seen wild prairies turn into mcmansion-villes, but that doesn't mean that something, with higher fiscal interest, can't repurpose the mcmansionvilles

Nonetheless, acquiring the property for new lines
is a big hurdle. A small sample....
Mishandling of California High-Speed Rail Land Deals Adds to Mounting Costs, Delays | KTLA
Acquiring Property For High Speed Rail Fresno

And high speed rail is very limited in the locations
it serves, requiring additional transportation infrastructure
for station-to-door service. This is especially so if
one lives far from a station.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The purpose of government is to force individuals to act in the best interest of the whole of society, as opposed to in their own best interests,

Nonsense. The purpose of government, in a republic, is to represent the needs and wants of the people. It's not to force people to do anything.

 

[Revoltingest]

The purpose of government is to force individuals to act in the best interest of the whole of society, as opposed to in their own best interests, only.

Sounds like an insect colony.
I prefer a society that allows more
individual self interest & liberty.