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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
No I listen to independent physicians and surgeons who's credentials are not held hostage by political juggernauts like the CDC.
And I bet that when you hear that 9 out of 10 dentists recommend flossing, you say "that tenth dentist must be on to something."
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Lethal for me means:
IF e.g. Putin "creates" a missile that is lethal, it means it is lethal for everybody. No pick and choose.

IF you ask a doctor for a lethal injection, you die if you take it. They made it exactly that way, for that purpose (e.g. to kill death row criminals). At least it should be lethal to e.g. 99%, and not like covid, lethal to not even 1%

To be sure I googled it:
So COVID is "unlethal" in the same sense that cyanide or getting shot are "unlethal."
 

PureX

Veteran Member
You might want to be a drone in a colony or hive.
I don't.
It's not about what you want. You already do live in a collective, cooperative society. There is nowhere on the Earth that you can go and NOT depend on a collective, cooperative society of your fellow humans. And, just as you take advantage of them for your well-being, you will be asked by them to act on behalf of their well-being. Calling us "insects" isn't going to change anything, or make your selfishness seem reasonable.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Explain what kind of government you want, and be sure to explain why you are fine with "screw thy neighbor" as a moral policy, and as a supposed Christian.
Where did I say " screw they neighbor?"
The mandates are hurting way more neighbors than they ever helped.
The vaccine is maybe 30 percent effective and most people are going to get covid regardless. It's just reality. Time to get back to normal.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
You live in a collective, cooperative society with your fellow humans, or you won't live for long. How is it that you can't seem to grasp this?
Social contract theory is a complex concept. Self-interest, greed, fraud, theft, etc. are easier to understand because the self has a direct benefit. I see too many conservatives completely ignore that the infrastructure they need to live and survive was essentially a socialist approach, how the collective pools resources the whole population can benefit in broad ways. They take too much for granted.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Where did I say " screw they neighbor?"
Your right wing attitude that inaccurately targets socialism. It is anti-Christ. The USA is a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. The democrats are not advocating for classic Socialism, so we know you are using a bad set of premises when you refer to socialism.

The mandates are hurting way more neighbors than they ever helped.
How? Prove it.

So you think wearing a mask while in a store is worse than you being at risk of death if you are exposed to Covid?

Mandates are aimed to help a broad range of citizens and interests. Keeping people in jobs well and a reduced exposure to a deadly virus means they can stay at work. When people get sick they often lose at least a week of work. How does that help anyone? How many people did they expose before they knew they god sick? How many of them will lose work? How much money will a business ess lose because so many workers are out sick?

This is why FOX news required ALL of their employees in their news and broadcast locations be vaccinated. Did you know that? Meanwhile their pundits are calling Fauci a criminal and the vaccines are unsafe and that mandates are fascism.

The vaccine is maybe 30 percent effective and most people are going to get covid regardless. It's just reality. Time to get back to normal.
The vaccine was never a cure. It is a way to help our bodies fight the virus so it spreads less and is less deadly. You won't see that on FOX even though they all accept it asa true.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Your right wing attitude that inaccurately targets socialism. It is anti-Christ. The USA is a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. The democrats are not advocating for classic Socialism, so we know you are using a bad set of premises when you refer to socialism.


How? Prove it.

So you think wearing a mask while in a store is worse than you being at risk of death if you are exposed to Covid?

Mandates are aimed to help a broad range of citizens and interests. Keeping people in jobs well and a reduced exposure to a deadly virus means they can stay at work. When people get sick they often lose at least a week of work. How does that help anyone? How many people did they expose before they knew they god sick? How many of them will lose work? How much money will a business ess lose because so many workers are out sick?

This is why FOX news required ALL of their employees in their news and broadcast locations be vaccinated. Did you know that? Meanwhile their pundits are calling Fauci a criminal and the vaccines are unsafe and that mandates are fascism.


The vaccine was never a cure. It is a way to help our bodies fight the virus so it spreads less and is less deadly. You won't see that on FOX even though they all accept it asa true.
Why do you keep talking about fox? I never mentioned them at all.
The mandates have killed numerous small businesses. Maybe they benefit mask and glove companies but not the little guys. And most people don't function well locked at home, which never helped them anyway. What we need is excersise and sunlight not isolation and depression.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Why do you keep talking about fox? I never mentioned them at all.
I mentioned FOX as an example of their hypocrisy, and you repeating what FOX spreads as disinformation puts you in the same category.

The mandates have killed numerous small businesses.
The pandemic has killed many businesses. There are many reasons, but having sick employees and sick customers was never an alternative that would save the businesses. Just bad luck.

Maybe they benefit mask and glove companies but not the little guys. And most people don't function well locked at home, which never helped them anyway. What we need is excersise and sunlight not isolation and depression.
A pandemic isn't going to have a one size fits all solution. It really forced nations all over the world to make hard choices, but the biggest priority was to save lives. All you have shown an interest in saving is businesses. And you're supposedly Christian?
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Why do you keep talking about fox? I never mentioned them at all.
The mandates have killed numerous small businesses. Maybe they benefit mask and glove companies but not the little guys. And most people don't function well locked at home, which never helped them anyway. What we need is excersise and sunlight not isolation and depression.
Small businesses like mine had a ton of assistance, loans, business tax extensions, extra unemployment options even when sole proprietors, etc etc. What's been closing businesses (including the one that I left at the beginning of the pandemic) is growing incentives to choose no work over accepting unlivable wages. Especially ones who weren't taking safety considerations seriously.

Also, I don’t know about you, but I never was 'locked away at home.' I hiked in the sun all pandemic. I just did so in a mask when trails were too narrow to socially distance.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's not about what you want.
What I advocate for certainly is.
You already do live in a collective, cooperative society. There is nowhere on the Earth that you can go and NOT depend on a collective, cooperative society of your fellow humans.
There are extreme degrees of cooperation.
Your collectivism isn't my cup of tea.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I agree. But our societies got too big for that sort of automatic altruism to be maintained. It became too easy to screw the other guy to advantage ourselves without having to live in close proximity to that other guy the rest of our life. Or for him to tell everyone else we live in close proximity to war we did. As our societies grew, we needed to create governing entities to protect us from each other. And that is still their main function.
You sound like a neo-liberal in voicing these concerns that everyone is basically selfish and acting on selfish impulses. The dog is a far greater threat to the child who still has cake than the child who's already ate a share of cake.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Where did I say " screw they neighbor?"
The mandates are hurting way more neighbors than they ever helped.
The vaccine is maybe 30 percent effective and most people are going to get covid regardless. It's just reality. Time to get back to normal.
Screw thy neighbors is not taking a highly contagious and deadly pandemic seriously. You're actions effect others, amd when too many people have your mentality the hospitals suffer which means everyone suffers.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And the pandemic response issue lands squarely under that purview of that governmental responsibility.
Is it, or do we need a better understanding of what rights are? In California mandates haven't been well enforced. But in New Zealand people tended to stick with it.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
We are social animals and will generally act in prosocial ways

So, I have to try remember this term 'prosocial,' because I think it's going to become sort of the term that's going to receive the most work, and application, if this century is to be survived. And especially due to the fact that the idea of 'generally acting prosocial' comes with a whole universe of assumptions, about what it is we are, and how we act

It's easily seen, that in order for someone to generally act good, and become prosocial, something forges a path ahead of the 'individual.' Obviously, a pathway to being good, is forged. So in other words, the whole infrastructure of a culture will carve out the terrain where any individual will go.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So, I have to try remember this term 'prosocial,' because I think it's going to become sort of the term that's going to receive the most work, and application, if this century is to be survived.
It's a bio-psychosocial term that describe positive behaviors that enforce group cohesion. Or, the opposite of anti-social. And we see even non-human social animals displaying prosocial behaviors while shunning anti-social behaviors.
Our problem is we are too fixated on I, and our society is very hyper competitive. But nature made us to be cooperative and even gave us internal mechanisms that make us feel good when we behave in prosocial ways.
 
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