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I Support The Truckers

amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

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Wildswanderer said:
But they all had skills most don't have now. We are so dependant on our technology most people don't even know how to start a fire correctly.
They generally lived in tribes because there's safety in numbers, but that doesn't mean they could not survive alone. Another thing, most people today can't stand being alone for long. Silence is unnerving if you don't like yourself much. I spend a lot of time in the woods alone. It puts life in perspective but I also like to camp with my family.
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I do too actually. But I think that with the more hardcore aloneness thing in prehistory, it was reserved for the hermit, maybe the shaman, or the odd cranky individual. I mean, we should still have the right to do it, it's just that space is kind of running out for that
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
Shadow Wolf said:
Is it, or do we need a better understanding of what rights are? In California mandates haven't been well enforced. But in New Zealand people tended to stick with it.
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Europeans tow the line to help their fellow citizens. They are inconvenienced individually a little so everyone can be happy, healthy and safe. Maybe someday we can adopt that attitude.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
ideogenous_mover said:
Despite what they are doing, they still fascinate the western mind, because the general westerner still wants something from preindustrial times in their lives. Despite the fact that the loners probably mis-characterize how that life was likely lived
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I agree. And it's too bad that no one is thinking about a REALISTIC way to provide people with some of that self-sufficiency. I was hoping that the fall of Detroit might spark some exploration in that direction, but so far, nothing. I don;t think it's wrong that people want to get off the grid of capitalist greed and do more for themselves. I'm all for it. But so far those people have been tricked and blinded by the right wing capitalist criminals that they are itching to get away from, and they can't even see it. Instead, they're busy blaming everything on the government and the "liberals". And playing right onto the hands of the criminals that are holding them enslaved to a totally commercialized social system that they despise.
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
PureX said:
They live in the fantasy of the 'lone cowboy', out on the prairie with his horse and his 837 guns, doing whatever he pleases, beholding only to himself, and dispensing his morality as he sees fit. Its an idiot's fantasy, but it's a very popular one in the U.S. One that the gun manufacturers and giant pickup truck manufacturers, and the country music industry, and Hollywood movie-makers, and the republican party, and many others have been cashing in on for a long time. So many entities have been pandering to it that a lot of people think it's their "identity". They have no idea that it never existed, and it never could.
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"Back in the 'good old days."' What good old days???
 
Suave

Suave

Simulated character
Rival said:
I support the trucker protesters. They're protesting against a despotic government that wants to impose vaccine mandates and take away their freedoms for not complying with a forced medical procedure. Most of what has been reported about them is false and they have been demonised by the media. I see RF doesn't broadly support them either. Maybe folks are afraid to say.

But I support them. It seems, according to the media I follow, many others support them too. Many of them are vaccinated, but for me this isn't about vaccination; this is about standing up to forced medical tyranny. They are the good guys imo and are doing Canada a favour. Some in the US have joined them.

I believe the way the Canadian government is treating them is horrible, and now threatening to take away their pets. Seriously? Freezing bank accounts and taking away people's animals is something the CCP would do, not liberal Western democracies.

These folks aren't Nazis, they're not Confederates; they're protesting for their freedoms back. Freedoms we had until 2020 that were completely normal to everyone.
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I support the unimpeded flow of traffic and commerce
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
ideogenous_mover said:
I do too actually. But I think that with the more hardcore aloneness thing in prehistory, it was reserved for the hermit, maybe the shaman, or the odd cranky individual. I mean, we should still have the right to do it, it's just that space is kind of running out for that
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Hardcore aloneness generally isn't good for people. It can be very psychologically destructive. The silence is unnerving for most people because we are social animals.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
ideogenous_mover said:
But 'if' those are caused by various habits, then that is still a weight on society, even if the problem is submerged. There is hospital bed real estate, and medicine resources that get used
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Yes, and we do have things like public anti-smoking campaigns and promoting healthy diets.
 
ADigitalArtist

ADigitalArtist

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Premium Member
Wildswanderer said:
That wasn't an option everywhere. I barely changed my lifestyle at all but I don't live in a city or a town.
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Which wasn't, the hiking or the business aid programs? Because the programs were federal with additional state I didn't end up needing to use.

The hiking I didn't do in the city. Seems like a bad plan during a pandemic.
 
W

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Hardcore aloneness generally isn't good for people. It can be very psychologically destructive. The silence is unnerving for most people because we are social animals.
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Which is why forced isolation from the shutdowns has a terrible toll on people not used to it.
But not everyone is bothered by being alone.
 
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Wildswanderer

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ADigitalArtist said:
Which wasn't, the hiking or the business aid programs? Because the programs were federal with additional state I didn't end up needing to use.

The hiking I didn't do in the city. Seems like a bad plan during a pandemic.
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Being outside.
And many businesses went under because of the restrictions. And prices for everything have skyrocketed for those still going.
 
amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Hardcore aloneness generally isn't good for people. It can be very psychologically destructive. The silence is unnerving for most people because we are social animals.
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I generally don't doubt what you say. The field of psychology is kind of dependent on a mean metric for functionality, is it not? To get that, you pretty much need to measure the distance between two individuals, preferably millions, so you get a culture-level definition

But like I said, there probably always were individuals that went and did it, at the edge of the distribution. Humans are an exploratory species, partly
 
ADigitalArtist

ADigitalArtist

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Wildswanderer said:
Being outside.
And many businesses went under because of the restrictions. And prices for everything have skyrocketed for those still going.
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Being outside is the simpler part.

I'm sure some businesses went under due to closures but there's also been people saying 'were going out of business because people are lazy' when they are, in fact, just not paying a livable wage. My old place closed during covid, but they were already down to a quarter staff and they weren't willing to pay the market average.

People who can't pay their employees a livable wage can't afford the cost of business.

At any rate, as has been said, employees and patrons getting sick wouldn't have been remarkably good for business either.
 
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