I Support The Truckers

[Revoltingest]

Is it, or do we need a better understanding of what rights are? In California mandates haven't been well enforced. But in New Zealand people tended to stick with it.

Riot police clash with New Zealand anti-vax protesters...

 

[PureX]

Social contract theory is a complex concept. Self-interest, greed, fraud, theft, etc. are easier to understand because the self has a direct benefit. I see too many conservatives completely ignore that the infrastructure they need to live and survive was essentially a socialist approach, how the collective pools resources the whole population can benefit in broad ways. They take too much for granted.

They live in the fantasy of the 'lone cowboy', out on the prairie with his horse and his 837 guns, doing whatever he pleases, beholding only to himself, and dispensing his morality as he sees fit. Its an idiot's fantasy, but it's a very popular one in the U.S. One that the gun manufacturers and giant pickup truck manufacturers, and the country music industry, and Hollywood movie-makers, and the republican party, and many others have been cashing in on for a long time. So many entities have been pandering to it that a lot of people think it's their "identity". They have no idea that it never existed, and it never could.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Riot police clash with New Zealand anti-vax protesters...

It hasn't been perfect but the case rate and death toll of NZ speaks for itself.
Or like the Canadian trucker protest. Most Canadians and Canadian truckers don't support them.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Small businesses like mine had a ton of assistance, loans, business tax extensions, extra unemployment options even when sole proprietors, etc etc. What's been closing businesses (including the one that I left at the beginning of the pandemic) is growing incentives to choose no work over accepting unlivable wages. Especially ones who weren't taking safety considerations seriously.

Also, I don’t know about you, but I never was 'locked away at home.' I hiked in the sun all pandemic. I just did so in a mask when trails were too narrow to socially distance.

That wasn't an option everywhere. I barely changed my lifestyle at all but I don't live in a city or a town.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

They live in the fantasy of the 'lone cowboy', out on the prairie with his horse and his 837 guns, doing whatever he pleases, beholding only to himself, and dispensing his morality as he sees fit.

It kind of depends on population and real-estate dynamics. You can find a few youtubes about guys who live in cabins in alaska, that freeze dry meat on steel lines, and have to ward off occasional grizzlies. But in the psychosocial matrx, are they then acting in only the way that any individual, of any political persuasion, would under those circumstances?

 

[Wildswanderer]

They live in the fantasy of the 'lone cowboy', out on the prairie with his horse and his 837 guns, doing whatever he pleases,

No prairie here but there's nothing wrong with having guns or a pick-up or choosing your occupation. We still have the freedom to do that. People who don't sound very jealous when they whine about it.

 

[PureX]

You sound like a neo-liberal in voicing these concerns that everyone is basically selfish and acting on selfish impulses. The dog is a far greater threat to the child who still has cake than the child who's already ate a share of cake.

It has nothing to do with "everyone" being selfish. It's a simple fact that some people are and they will do harm to others if they think they can get away with it. EVERYONE knows this. It's why we write laws and create police forces to make people comply with those laws. It's why we create government.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It kind of depends on population and real-estate dynamics. You can find a few youtubes about guys who live in cabins in alaska, that freeze dry meat on steel lines, and have to ward off occasional grizzlies. But in the psychosocial matrx, are they then acting in only the way that any individual, of any political persuasion, would under those circumstances?

Liberals don't last long out there. They need their safe spaces.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

You can't give heart disease to another, and unless you do something like blowing smoke in someone's face you aren't going to give them cancer either.

But 'if' those are caused by various habits, then that is still a weight on society, even if the problem is submerged. There is hospital bed real estate, and medicine resources that get used

 

[Wildswanderer]

Screw thy neighbors is not taking a highly contagious and deadly pandemic seriously. You're actions effect others, amd when too many people have your mentality the hospitals suffer which means everyone suffers.

Who said I didn't take it seriously? It's over people get on with your lives. This whole thing has shown me that some people love the idea of an all controlling government... it's a mystery to me.

 

[PureX]

Is it, or do we need a better understanding of what rights are? In California mandates haven't been well enforced. But in New Zealand people tended to stick with it.

In the U.S. we think stupidity and selfishness are our "right". The advertisers (and now the media they advertise on) have been telling us so for a century. But it's not. And our politicians are so corrupt and inept that they can't make that clear to the fools among us that don't get it.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Liberals don't last long out there. They need their safe spaces.

Well, the bushcraft-based, independent wilderness living idea is a bit of a fiction. I don't think there is a whole lot of precedent in prehistory for that being how life was lived anyway. Except for what genuine hermits would do

 

[Wildswanderer]

Well, the bushcraft-based, independent wilderness living idea is a bit of a fiction. I don't think there is a whole of precedent in prehistory for that being how life was lived anyway. Except for what genuine hermits would do

It's not fiction. I know people who pretty much live it. They still buy some stuff at a store but can survive without it. I myself have the skills to make about anything I need to live but of course we all like our luxuries.

 

[PureX]

It kind of depends on population and real-estate dynamics. You can find a few youtubes about guys who live in cabins in alaska, that freeze dry meat on steel lines, and have to ward off occasional grizzlies. But in the psychosocial matrx, are they then acting in only the way that any individual, of any political persuasion, would under those circumstances?

If more than just a VERY few of these people existed, doing what they do would become illegal. Societies don't tolerate those anti-social outliers for long.

 

[Revoltingest]

They live in the fantasy of the 'lone cowboy', out on the prairie with his horse and his 837 guns, doing whatever he pleases, beholding only to himself, and dispensing his morality as he sees fit.

You don't seem to understand the opposition. We prefer
voluntary associations, which are numerous & essential
in business.

Its an idiot's fantasy....

A brave admission.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

It's not fiction. I know people who pretty much live it. They still buy some stuff at a store but can survive without it. I myself have the skills to make about anything I need to live but of course we all like our luxuries.

I tend to think its advertised as something that 'early man' would have done. But I think it's fairly clear that preindustrial people generally lived in tribes of people, that worked together to do whatever

Don't get me wrong, I still like to watch bushcraft videos, and I kind of like the idea of doing it, but it does seem kind of risky and spooky, in a way that was probably historically unnecessary

 

[PureX]

It's not fiction. I know people who pretty much live it. They still buy some stuff at a store but can survive without it. I myself have the skills to make about anything I need to live but of course we all like our luxuries.

Not to mention we need each other to procreate. And when we do, our kinds need a society to live in. Being the "last Mohican" is really just 'suicide by selfishness'.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

If more than just a VERY few of these people existed, doing what they do would become illegal. Societies don't tolerate those anti-social outliers for long.

Despite what they are doing, they still fascinate the western mind, because the general westerner still wants something from preindustrial times in their lives. Despite the fact that the loners probably mis-characterize how that life was likely lived

 

[Wildswanderer]

I tend to think its advertised as something that 'early man' would have done. But I think it's fairly clear that preindustrial people generally lived in tribes of people, that worked together to do whatever

Don't get me wrong, I still like to watch bushcraft videos, and I kind of like the idea of doing it, but it does seem kind of risky and spooky, in a way that was probably historically unnecessary

But they all had skills most don't have now. We are so dependant on our technology most people don't even know how to start a fire correctly.
They generally lived in tribes because there's safety in numbers, but that doesn't mean they could not survive alone. Another thing, most people today can't stand being alone for long. Silence is unnerving if you don't like yourself much. I spend a lot of time in the woods alone. It puts life in perspective but I also like to camp with my family.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Not to mention we need each other to procreate. And when we do, our kinds need a society to live in. Being the "last Mohican" is really just 'suicide by selfishness'.

IDK, being a semi hermit is not a bad life and I don't see how it hurts anyone else.