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I swear to god that i'm a non believer

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Im not here to convince you. :)

Regards Tony
You seem to have forgotten that you asked a question that had an obvious answer. When answered for you you could not deal with it properly. That indicates that you might be part of the problem. As a theist you should be trying to be part of the solution.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
You seem to have forgotten that you asked a question that had an obvious answer. When answered for you you could not deal with it properly. That indicates that you might be part of the problem. As a theist you should be trying to be part of the solution.

It is you that offered that man, prone to error, thus proving their immaturity, is not convincing.

To be part of the solution on firsts changes themselves and offers all others naught but good.

I wish you well and happy

Regards Tony
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It is you that offered that man, prone to error, thus proving their immaturity, is not convincing.

To be part of the solution on firsts changes themselves and offers all others naught but good.

I wish you well and happy

Regards Tony
You were not paying attention. Go back and read the answer to your question.

Meanwhile, you are part of the problem not the solution, at least until you understand your error.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Well I see that an Atheist believes there is no God, but who here is a true Athiest?

Anyone who has no belief in god

What Athiest spends so much time on God related topics, if somewhere in the heart they do no have a connection. Why would they waste their time?

And here you are spending time on atheist related topics... It makes you wonder eh?

No Athiests need to answer as it is well proven that when disaster strikes, most will call for help from the depths of their soul.

And some get off their knees and actually do something about it
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It appears science may be able to discover the existance of soul, if I have read this correctly;

Philosophy is not a science in the true meaning of science. Can i ask where is your evidence for an indestructible element? Can a soul be observed or measured? No? Then how can it be demonstrated?

I should also add that you seem to be a prime example of why i began this thread, thanks for your post
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
.... Look at communism for an example, it was an attempt at a godless society. It has not worked.

Regards Tony

No. It wasn't. It was an attempt at communism, but with a pseudo-religious dictator in charge.

No wonder it failed.... just like ALL governments based on religious ideologies.

Remember the Dark Ages, when Christianity==Government?
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
I should also add that you seem to be a prime example of why i began this thread, thanks for your post

I could offer you are a prime example of my reply. If you embrace virtues, you embrace what I know as God. Quite a few may not attribute the virtues to God.

That is our difference, only in words, let action and deeds be our adorning.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
No. It wasn't. It was an attempt at communism, but with a pseudo-religious dictator in charge.

No wonder it failed.... just like ALL governments based on religious ideologies.

Remember the Dark Ages, when Christianity==Government?

I could offer you are a prime example of my reply. If you embrace virtues, you embrace what I know as God. Quite a few may not attribute the virtues to God.

That is our difference, only in words, let action and deeds be our adorning.

Regards Tony

I see that answers that reply as well.

Regards Tony
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I could offer you are a prime example of my reply. If you embrace virtues, you embrace what I know as God. Quite a few may not attribute the virtues to God.

That is our difference, only in words, let action and deeds be our adorning.

Regards Tony

In your own mind only
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
That is just the results of an immature humanity. Theists, or whaterver tag people wish to place on each other are not the only group of people that harm others. Look at communism for an example, it was an attempt at a godless society. It has not worked.

Regards Tony

Communism has worked our quite well for china, taking them from one of the poorest in the world to being close to overtaking america in wealth.

Communism in Russia was far from godless, only the revolution and its aftermath in which the corrupt church with tzars as demigods was dismantled. After that stalin rebuilt the church to be as strong in russia now as it is in america
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Who is to say my mind is not connected to yours! Mind is far more than we are yet to consider.

Look at the study on how trees communicate.

Regards Tony

I may genetically be distantly related to a tree but i can assure you my brain is not wood and leaves.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Communism has worked our quite well for china, taking them from one of the poorest in the world to being close to overtaking america in wealth.

Communism in Russia was far from godless, only the revolution and its aftermath in which the corrupt church with tzars as demigods was dismantled. After that stalin rebuilt the church to be as strong in russia now as it is in america

That shows you can not remove God.

Also material wealth is not true prosperity. Have a look how bad China is spiritually. They will suffer greatly.

America will also suffer greatly. It has also become materialistic.

Regards Tony
 
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TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
I may genetically be distantly related to a tree but i can assure you my brain is not wood and leaves.

That was very far from what I was offering. :)

You would know that it has been discovered trees communicate with each other. If not look it up and note how they do it.

Thus Humanity as a whole is one garden of people. Our minds likewise are connected. This is why disunity is not conducive to a spiritual wellbeing. In fact the more we disconnect, the sicker humanity will become.

This is self evident as humanity turns away from the one source that can unite us. That is God and God is within us all.

Science will discover this connection. It will take a catastrophic event before we change our mindset.

Regards Tony
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
That shows you can not remove God.

Also material wealth is not true prosperity. Have a look how bad china is spiritually. They will suffer greatly.

America will also suffer greatly. It has also become materialistic.

Regards Tony


So you dis communism when you think its godless but love it when the truth hits you?

Once again you are lacking in cultural education. Please take a moment to research a subject before dissing it. China is a spiritually rich county with around 50% of the population holding some religious belief. I dont see them suffering, i do see a vibrant society though.

Will? America is suffering, and has been inversely declining as religion has taken a firmer hold on the country.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
That was very far from what I was offering. :)

You would know that it has been discovered trees communicate with each other. If not look it up and note how they do it.

Thus Humanity as a whole is one garden of people. Our minds likewise are connected. This is why disunity is not conducive to a spiritual wellbeing. In fact the more we disconnect, the sicker humanity will become.

This is self evident as humanity turns away from the one source that can unite us. That is God and God is within us all.

Science will discover this connection. It will take a catastrophic event before we change our mindset.

Regards Tony

Your view,

My view is that religion has caused more misery and death than any other single cause of conflict.


And i am not in to clairvoyance, it invariably falls flat on its face
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Your view,

My view is that religion has caused more misery and death than any other single cause of conflict.


And i am not in to clairvoyance, it invariably falls flat on its face

You can have views but are they also supported by evidence? If not it is Athiest Faith ;):D.

This may give other thoughts as to what causes war;

Is Religion the Cause of Most Wars? | HuffPost

Regards Tony
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
This may give other thoughts as to what causes war;
Is Religion the Cause of Most Wars? | HuffPost

The real cause of war already starts with (religious) people claiming "We (religious) people are better (off) than atheists/humanist other groups"

This is scientific truth. And this is what almost all religious people do. And this is a fact. You don't want me to do a poll on RF.

If I start on RF a thread with a poll like "In the eyes of God an atheist has as much chances as a theist ... true or false?"
Or even better to say "You can be an atheist and attain the highest goal in life (according to God) ... true or false"

There may be 1 "so called good Christian/samaritan" BUT not "that good" in my experience so far.

For me it's enough to just be a good human being. Religious arrogance and belittling is "not done". Period.

This Rabbi writing this HuffPost story tries to cover up the "religious war" started by them claiming "All are equal but we are more equal",
 
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TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
"In the eyes of God an atheist has as much chances as a theist ... true or false?"

True :) as no one knows what their end will be.

It is our heart and actions that are important, but it must be genuine.

This is good advice to always consider;

"..How often hath a sinner attained, at the hour of death, to the essence of faith, and, quaffing the immortal draught, hath taken his flight unto the Concourse on high! And how often hath a devout believer, at the hour of his soul’s ascension, been so changed as to fall into the nethermost fire!"

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
So you dis communism when you think its godless but love it when the truth hits you?

Once again you are lacking in cultural education. Please take a moment to research a subject before dissing it. China is a spiritually rich county with around 50% of the population holding some religious belief. I dont see them suffering, i do see a vibrant society though.

Will? America is suffering, and has been inversely declining as religion has taken a firmer hold on the country.

I watched a show not long ago and it offered other perspectives. This article discusses much that was said on that show;

Mental Healthcare In China

"..How would each of you describe mental health care in general in China?

Dr. Yong: Mental health has been recognized as a significant social and public health problem in China. A recent epidemiological survey in four provinces in China showed that the prevalence of at least one current mental disorder in adults was greater than 17% in 2001-2005, and mood disorders and anxiety disorders are the most prevalent types. The World Health Organization (WHO) has warned that the financial burden from mental disorders in China will constitute 1/4 of total burden from various diseases in 2020...."

Personally I see it is Materialism that America suffers from. It is also the issue Australia now faces.

Regards Tony
 
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