Shantanu
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Neither science nor religion is given by God.
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I swear to god that i'm a non believer
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You opinion is noted but ultimately just opinion with no evidence to back it up.
Also note, with science faith becomes redundant
Shantanu
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When I said neither science nor religion are given by God and you liked the post, I did not realise that you had interpreted it the wrong way. I meant we humans seek truth and since the Ultimate truth is God one seeks God in addition to mundane truths. Through the path of satya-advaita or truth accommodation one discovers scientific truths as also truth about the Creator and Preserver of the universe. This is done through faith in truth which is the same as faith in God that He would assist in truth search.
One thing is for sure, the body we have will disintegrate and disperse. We all become redundant.
Any superior high ground we may hold to, is thus, already redundant.
Regards Tony
I see we can not seperate what we can know about God, from what God has given is to know about Him.
That is our journey in life.
Regards Tony
Shantanu
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If one has truth one will survive and so continue with ones dharmic activities infallibly and perfectly so the superior high ground is not redundant.
Again whos high ground is it, ours of Gods?
Yes Truth never dies, our vein perception of it does.
Regards Tony
Shantanu
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The only way to know what God is like is to become God.
Shantanu
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If truth accommodation is executed perfectly it is both our and God's high ground.
You are welcome to your opinion and i still liked your post.
However i disagree with your interpretation of truth. To me truth needs to be actually true not just believed to be true
C'est l vie
Shantanu
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True.
Bob the Unbeliever
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Citation needed. Claims without a single shred of evidence can be dismissed without further ado.
Faith? Is 100% useless to be a "foundation" for anything. Why? Because using faith, you can literally believe in any silly thing that comes down the pike.
Like, say, a Close Encounter With A Near-Hit Comet will Save Your Soul.
That is what Faith gets you.
wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
I appreciate your opinion but I'm not sure what your point is other than to demonstrate my point about why theists cannot understand atheism.
Science doesn't need to work with religion. One has nothing to do with the other except in the area of brain research into why people believe things which they have no evidence of and believe things based only on cultural conditioning or subjectively perceived experiences.
Science does not involve itself with anything other than studying the physical universe.
Are you suggesting science should be trying to prove the many claims of theists? If so, how would you suggest they go about doing that?
I'm sorry, other than this I really can't follow what you are saying. And it's not because I don't understand belief in God. I very much believed in "God" for many years. At that time I sure couldn't understand what was wrong with atheists that they also didn't believe.
Opinions on God do not facts make.
I see this world as a matrix, we are yet to be born into life.
Material Death but a transition.I hope you have a good gregorian New Year, mine is March 21st.
Regards Tony
We can all be gullible. Both sides are not exempt.
The best knowledge is a balance between both given sources.
Regards Tony
The concept is not that hard to embrace. If one beleives there is no God, then that is an easy to understand and embrace mindset. I see Faith is the challenge, its way to easy to drop God.
Also One has to consider that many change sides between the two. One with only faith my drop it for science, one with only science may drop it for faith. Many find the balance between the two.
The middle ground to me is a strong foundation for life. I aslo see the world needs the middle ground.
Regards Tony
I can give many a quote and the source, but many here do not appreciate that effort, nor the source.
So best to be silent as to the source and just take a bit of heat instead. I have broad shoulders and Love you all.
Regards Tony
Bob the Unbeliever
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No. The best knowledge is based on systems deliberately designed to eliminate the faith component, and to minimize or limit mere human perceptions too.
This is why the Scientific Method is so successful: it demands not-faith. To make it work well? Human failings of perception have to be eliminated too (google Double Blind Experiment).
This very computer, is one of the Fruits of Science.
You cannot name a single thing that Faith has invented or discovered.
wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
Um okay. You and most of the rest of the population. And again, you only further confirm my point. If you really did understand atheism, you wouldn't rely on religious faith to form your worldview. To each his own. I imagine it will be another 6 generations or so before the religious magic is totally removed from the human condition. If we can even make it that long with the overall view that this planet is nothing more than a dumping station for the heavenly or Godly bound.